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Do we have to prove a link between the mill and our raw material supplier?
Do we have to prove a link between the mill and our raw material supplier?
Do we have to prove a link between the mill and our raw material supplier?
Do we have to prove a link between the mill and our raw material supplier?
Do we have to prove a link between the mill and our raw material supplier?
Do we have to prove a link between the mill and our raw material supplier?
Do we have to prove a link between the mill and our raw material supplier?
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Old 15th May 2018, 10:39 AM
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Re: Do we have to prove a link between the mill and our raw material supplier?

Maybe I'm missing something...
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We order our raw material from our distributor.
So you have your PO, and possibly an order acknowledgement linking together you and the distributor...the physical supply chain.

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The distributor sends us mill certs from the mill that supplied them the raw material. The mill cert states that the mill has sold the raw material to the distributor.
So you have the cert, which shows the mill making and testing the material, and the sale (or at least shipping) of that material to the distributor you bought from.

No problem at all if you choose to keep the packing slip, or your own receiving paperwork, or whatever to show that the goods you're about to pay for actually arrived...as long as amount ordered, amount billed and amount arriving and amount paid for all match, there is a lot of freedom in which documents you keep.

Golfman's system chooses to use the Packing list...no problem.
Another system may choose to use the receiver's count...no problem.
Thus my question for a company that has been historically not keeping the packing list...

What is the value of keeping it now? Are you already achieving that value historically?
If not, and there's a break in tracking, certainly keep the Packing list now.
If you already have an unbroken chain, why bother starting to keep the packing list?
The packing list has no objective value on its own.


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Old 15th May 2018, 04:59 PM
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Re: Do we have to prove a link between the mill and our raw material supplier?

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Maybe I'm missing something...





So you have your PO, and possibly an order acknowledgement linking together you and the distributor...the physical supply chain.







So you have the cert, which shows the mill making and testing the material, and the sale (or at least shipping) of that material to the distributor you bought from.



No problem at all if you choose to keep the packing slip, or your own receiving paperwork, or whatever to show that the goods you're about to pay for actually arrived...as long as amount ordered, amount billed and amount arriving and amount paid for all match, there is a lot of freedom in which documents you keep.



Golfman's system chooses to use the Packing list...no problem.

Another system may choose to use the receiver's count...no problem.

Thus my question for a company that has been historically not keeping the packing list...



What is the value of keeping it now? Are you already achieving that value historically?

If not, and there's a break in tracking, certainly keep the Packing list now.

If you already have an unbroken chain, why bother starting to keep the packing list?

The packing list has no objective value on its own.





Agree with GolfMan ...

I’m assuming AS9100. What about the ‘HEAT LOT’ (for raw metals)? Traceability is absolutely needed for critical to function components. If ‘heat’ is not on packing slip now, should not be a big deal to request this from the distributor.

As far as ‘.. not starting additional requirements now ...’, personally I would advise to not do so. Honesty is best policy. Document the added requirement as a new discovery. Just my two-cents. Best regards.



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