AIAG CQI-11, 12, 15 and 17 - Whose requirements are these?

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Hermann - 2011

Anyone know if these are Ford Motor Company Customer Specific Requirements? They are not listed in Section 2 of FMC's August 2009 document but I dont feel happy and I have an audit comong up.

BTW: GM do list these AIAG standards in their GM 1927-3 Standard.

Subjects are assessment of plating, painting, welding and soldering processes.

Thanks
 

Kales Veggie

People: The Vital Few
The referenced document only has a reference to CQI 9 (Heat treat).

I suggest that Mr. Hermann also checks the latest Ford MSA (manufacturing assessment document, part of Q1) for references to other CQI.

Ford might have also issued letters that making the other CQI's mandatory.
 
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Cndngirl - 2012

AIAG CQI-11, 12, 15 and 17 - Annual requirement?

I have a supplier that we have requested to complete CQI 9 Heat Treat assessment. This supplier has provided a copy of the assessment however the customer/spec it covers is for Ford. I require one to the GM Spec. We contacted the Supplier again and asked him to perform it to the GM Spec and the Supplier indicated that "they only do one Customer a year annually (ie Ford this year, GM next year, etc) which is all that is required to be performed."

When I review the CQI assessment I found the following:

Assessment Process
Ongoing assessments shall be conducted annually, unless otherwise specified by the customer, to reexamine
the continuing compliance with the HTSA. Each assessment shall include a review of the
organization's systems using the HTSA. Successive Job Audits (Section 4.0 of this document) shall
sample parts from different automotive component manufacturers that require compliance to the HTSA
document.

Which I believe means that our Supplier is required to perform the HSTA to the specification listed on the drawing (which in this case happens to be for GM) annually and doesn't mean an annual one done this year on Ford and next year on Chrysler.

Is our Supplier correct or am I?
 
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Qualipedia

What your supplier has said is acceptable. How does it matter if they are doing that assessment on a GM part or Chrysler part or a Ford part? It is a process assessment.. Can be done on any part.. I ask my suppliers for Heat Treat, plating, coating etc assessments all the time. They have come back to me with an assessment done on our competitors part. I was okay with it. fyi - there was no confidential info on that assessment. it's just a process assessment..

Anywya, your supplier is right! :bigwave:
 
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dcelis

Hi, first time speaking up on the Cove, so please forgive me if I don't follow all the right protocols. However I have a couple of questions on CQIs. 1) How far down in the supply chain do they apply? 2) If a plating supplier is NADCAP certified, can their last assessment be used as evidence of compliance vs the CQI-11 assessment? Thanks.
 
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gstewart

Hi, first time speaking up on the Cove, so please forgive me if I don't follow all the right protocols. However I have a couple of questions on CQIs. 1) How far down in the supply chain do they apply? 2) If a plating supplier is NADCAP certified, can their last assessment be used as evidence of compliance vs the CQI-11 assessment? Thanks.

That's a good question.
The first requirement of CQI-15 is that you need to have what is effectively a dedicated weld expert on site.
That would be pretty difficult for example for a pressed bracket supplier who needs to spot-weld a small attachment onto one bracket.

Ford have conveyed that sub-suppliers need to complete the CQI-9 for heat treatement, I don't know if it extends to their suppliers.

Logic would suggest that CQI-11 should only apply to specialised plating organisations, as opposed to a company that phosphates or blackens their product for a bit of corrosion protection prior to use, but logic doesn't always apply where OEM's are concerned.
 
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ferjpx

Hello
Here in Brazil, only GM and FIAT request all CQI's. Ford Brazil only request CQI-9 and CER for CQI-9.
 
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jdeloria

We use a Leicht automatic mig welder to weld two strips of metal together to spool up longer footage that a standard slit coil can contain. These spools go to a 1rst tier supplier that puts the metal through a roll former, and cuts out the welds before they go to GM. Are we required to do the CQI-15 assessment? We are ISO 9001 certified, and while we have never really considered our welding to be a special process (since it is waste, not a part of the finished product), we had an auditor that questioned that. What do you think?
 
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ncwalker

I would say no, you do not need it. Because your welding process is not going into a saleable part.

If it were me, I would fight the requirement based on this statement.

But like everyone here always says ... every customer/auditor is different.
 
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