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Old 21st May 2008, 03:37 AM
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Re: Definition of 1st, 2nd and 3rd party audits

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I learned a long way back: "inhouse, outhouse, powerhouse"

1st - In house - internal audits
2nd - out house - customers
3rd - powerhouse - registrars
Interesting way of putting it!

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Old 21st May 2008, 09:51 PM
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I learned a long way back: "inhouse, outhouse, powerhouse"

1st - In house - internal audits
2nd - out house - customers
3rd - powerhouse - registrars
Mmmmmm - in England, 'outhouse' means the 'loo', bathroom, toilet etc.

In some respects, 'powerhouse' isn't being delivered.............
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Old 22nd May 2008, 01:22 AM
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Re: 1st, 2nd and 3rd Party Audits - Definition

What's wrong with the ISO 19011 definitions?

3.1
audit
NOTE Internal audits, sometimes called first party audits, are conducted by, or on hehalf of, the organization itself for management review and other internal purposes and can form the basis for an organization's self-declaration of conformity. In many cases, particularly in smaller organizations, independence can be demonstrated by the freedom from responsibility for the activity being audited.

NOTE 2 External audits include those generally termed second and third party audits. Second party audits are conducted by parties having an interest in the organization, such as customers, or by other persons on their behalf. Third party audits are conducted by external, independent auditing organizations, such as those providing registration or certification of conformity to requirements of ISO 9001 and ISO 14001.

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Old 7th June 2008, 08:20 AM
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Re: Definition of 1st, 2nd and 3rd party audits

Thanks, realy nice guide


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Check this out Carol

http://elsmar.com/pdf_files/Audit_E.pdf

Marc has it all defined for us on slide 12
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Old 22nd August 2010, 03:31 PM
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Re: 1st, 2nd and 3rd Party Audits - Definition

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What's wrong with the ISO 19011 definitions?

3.1
audit
NOTE Internal audits, sometimes called first party audits, are conducted by, or on hehalf of, the organization itself for management review and other internal purposes and can form the basis for an organization's self-declaration of conformity. In many cases, particularly in smaller organizations, independence can be demonstrated by the freedom from responsibility for the activity being audited.

NOTE 2 External audits include those generally termed second and third party audits. Second party audits are conducted by parties having an interest in the organization, such as customers, or by other persons on their behalf. Third party audits are conducted by external, independent auditing organizations, such as those providing registration or certification of conformity to requirements of ISO 9001 and ISO 14001.

(emphasis added)
Absolutely nothing except for the fact that they are so simple to understand they can't be true, so it's easier to make up your own and continue getting lost going from the bedroom to the kitchen and totake other with you on the whirlwind tour.
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Old 28th March 2012, 09:16 AM
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Re: 1st, 2nd and 3rd Party Audits - Definition

Good afternoon
immagine a standard check list for ISO 9001 or ISO TS 16949 (DNV or other)
Exactly at which point of check list is connected the Audit from the customer to the supplier.
i need it for my IDEF diagrams and my "little web apllication"
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Old 28th March 2012, 09:28 AM
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Re: 1st, 2nd and 3rd Party Audits - Definition

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Good afternoon
immagine a standard check list for ISO 9001 or ISO TS 16949 (DNV or other)
Exactly at which point of check list is connected the Audit from the customer to the supplier.
i need it for my IDEF diagrams and my "little web apllication"
In ISO TS it should be clause 7.4.3.1 Incoming quality as well as clause 7.6.3.2 External Labs.
However it could also be seen in additional ISO TS clauses, based upon the process put in place by an organization and the related implemented activities.

Could you plese be more specific for request? What are IDEF diagrams?
Hope this helps
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Old 28th March 2012, 02:29 PM
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Hope this helps
Thank you for your kind answer
But f the company is the supplier?
Could be 7.2 .....3c? or 8.2.1
or .....?

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