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Old 29th March 2012, 02:54 AM
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Re: 1st, 2nd and 3rd Party Audits - Definition

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Thank you for your kind answer
But f the company is the supplier?
Could be 7.2 .....3c? or 8.2.1
or .....?<snip>
I was not able to understand the precise question...
Be more specific with examples and purpose of the work

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Old 11th June 2012, 09:45 PM
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Re: 1st, 2nd and 3rd Party Audits - Definition

I know it's been a long time in the discussion about first second third party audits but I have a question.

A company I work for doesnt want to have to pay for third party certification (9001/14001 etc), but wants a qualified auditor to come in do a full audit of the system, provide a report with nonconformances, we responce and fix the issues, get him back and he will (hopefully) attest that the nonconformances have been resolved. We call this a 'second party audit', but it appears from the above discussion that it is not.

So is it a third party audit or a first party audit. What we want to do is mimick the "official" third party audit system.
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Old 11th June 2012, 10:56 PM
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It's a third party audit, since he's not your customer and isn't really doing an internal audit.
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Old 12th June 2012, 12:00 AM
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Re: 1st, 2nd and 3rd Party Audits - Definition

for my understand, the 1 st audit is inner audit
the 2nd audit is interest parties audit such as supplier audit(system, process and product) or customer audit or other bodies authorized by customers
and the 3rd audit is register body or organization audit certified by standard institute
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What we want to do is mimick the "official" third party audit system.
The third party audit system goes beyond an audit and entails a certification program. If the CB is duly accredited, there would be expectations for a competence establishment process for the auditor; as an independent auditor, who/how competence is determined? Further, since organizations and systems are dynamic, things change. 12 months after an audit, it is very likely that the system has undergone a number of changes and, who would be ensuring such changes are not affecting the system conformance to the standard(s)?
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Old 12th June 2012, 10:07 PM
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Re: 1st, 2nd and 3rd Party Audits - Definition

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I know it's been a long time in the discussion about first second third party audits but I have a question. <snip>
It is still a 1st party audit. Outsourcing your internal audit does not put it into another category. 1st, 2nd, and 3rd party audit definition is in ISO 19011.

It is very common to hire an auditor from outside to perform your internal audit. I do a lot of them. From a dictionary definition, that would be a 3rd party (someone from outside) doing your internal audit, but it would not be within the definition of 19011.
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