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How to Identify and Evaluate Environmental Aspects and Impacts
How to Identify and Evaluate Environmental Aspects and Impacts
How to Identify and Evaluate Environmental Aspects and Impacts
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Old 31st August 2005, 09:23 AM
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Where's my Chicken Bone located?

Who cares what your process is as long as it works for you and you can show that? You can use eeny-meeny-minie-moe or flip-a-coin as long as it works for you.
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Old 31st August 2005, 10:55 AM
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Where's my Chicken Bone located?

Who cares what your process is as long as it works for you and you can show that? You can use eeny-meeny-minie-moe or flip-a-coin as long as it works for you.
Well I don't agree with you, if Auditor might ask me how I set the scale, then what would be my reply? I would appreciate your help, as this is my first experience to implement 14001, I already worked on 9001, so I want better understanding in case of any question or clarification by the auditor during certification audit.

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Old 31st August 2005, 12:27 PM
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flip a coin is kind of a flip answer

I also think "flip a coin" is kind of a flip answer. I assume Randy was being kind of funny. As an auditor, I am required to evaluate effectiveness of a method, not just compiance, and flipping a coin would not meet the intent of determining where the more significant risks are. However, the method described by the original poster, which was a thoughtful consideration of the risks, impacts and legal requirements was very appropriate in concept. And, as pointed out earlier, many folks are using a pseudo-FMEA approach to track the scoring. A very good concept if properly implemented.
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Old 31st August 2005, 01:17 PM
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hjilling....Yeah, I guess I wouldn't know about any of this myself. I've found chicken bones to be an effective method as well.

As for mr0820....Use whatever works for you (not some stinking auditor) to determine what is significant for you and your organization. develop your own methodolgy and consistantly use it. I've seen org's that identify anything related to a regulatory requirement as significant and others that don't even factor it in. I've seen community perception as a quantifer of significance by some and totally ignored by others. The list goes on.

There are no absolutes here and my personal feelings as an auditor do not come into play. My assessment of effectiveness is based on whether or not it is effective for the organization in question and works with the system they have designed and not how I think it should be.

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Old 31st August 2005, 01:32 PM
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... many folks are using a pseudo-FMEA approach to track the scoring.
What's "pseudo" about it?
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Old 31st August 2005, 01:35 PM
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What's "pseudo" about it?
Our old Technicial Director used to call me a "psuedo Technicial Jack" as a Quality Manager.
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Old 31st August 2005, 02:05 PM
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What's "pseudo" about it?

pseudo- means similar or along the lines of... So a pseudo-FMEA approach to ranking environmental aspects uses a matrix approach similar to a FMEA, with different columns addressing different scoring items like Toxicity, Regulated chemical, hazard to the environment, safety risks, etc.
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Old 31st August 2005, 02:16 PM
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pseudo- means similar or along the lines of... So a pseudo-FMEA approach to ranking environmental aspects uses a matrix approach similar to a FMEA, with different columns addressing different scoring items like Toxicity, Regulated chemical, hazard to the environment, safety risks, etc.
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