400 micron Difference between CMM Results and Laser Tracker Results

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punith_sj

HI ALL,

we are having laser tracker of leica make and CMM of LK make, recently i have
measured a component which is having an area of 1000*800*100mm in both CMM & laser tracker, but i am getting about 400microns difference between these two results,

so which one i have to agree CMM or Tracker?

is there any experts to solve my issue?

Punith
 

bobdoering

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What is your surface finish? How large of a CMM probe tip are you using? In relative terms, CMM is more maximum material condition than laser, which may pose a difference (although 400 microns seems like a lot). What algorithms are you using, average, min, max, RMS on your dimension? Have you verified the comparison on a master, such as gage blocks or gage pins?
 

Danny Hoover

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Punith,
What type of feature are you measuring?
Have you inspected an "master article" with both tools?
Have both tools been calibrated (cmm on qual. sphere) and laser (on qual. artifact)?
Are both using the same alignment, and alignment feature construction method?
Can it be verified on a surface plate?
Have you tried a R study?
Just a few questions, I program both types of tools.
HTH
DH
 
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punith_sj

thanks to Mr.bobdoering,Danny Hoover

i will try the things what you suggested.

once again thank you
 

Hey Grandad

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I ran across this thread while searching another topic. The title reminded me of a situation we had a few years ago. We were measuring a part which, was run on a Bridge Mill, with a FARO Laser Tracker and the results were .015" different. The mill was recalibrated and the part ran again but still the .015" difference. Come to find out the Laser Tracker needed the coefficient of thermal linear expansion for the material and the temperature of the material to be input manually to compensate. After this was done the Laser Tracker and the Mill measured the same. The distance measured was roughly 20'.
 

Welshwizard

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Hi,

This could be many things.

Not knowing the details of your task but thinking about your assertion about a 400 micron difference:

You will most likely have two different softwares being used, you will find that with the tracker, due to the type of instrument it is there will be quite a few options for aligning to the part i.e. creating the reference system. Check what the datum features are and whether they are common to both measurement systems and look at the files to make sure that the datum points are being held at the reference....this is the first check.

Unless you are using a probe attachment with the tracker you will not be able to measure features such as holes directly, if this is the case you need to manufacture tooling which can have variation but I would doubt 400 micron.

As per the advice from Hey Grandad, you could be looking at a scaling error, , with the CMM you may have a feature in the software which allows the user to input the CTE (Coefficient of Thermal Expansion) of the material and the measurement result will be adjusted to allow for the effects of any departure from the reference temperature. For the tracker, you will have an option to use the instrument reference as a scale which will either use the laser interferometer or the ADM (dependant on which tacker you have) but the reference is controlled by an instrument which is attached to the tracker and measures ambient temperature, atmospheric pressure and humidity. If this instrument is damaged or has been tampered with or is not calibrated then it can inject an incorrect correction.

Similarly to the CMM, the tracker can correct back to the reference temperature based upon the CTE of the material and the current temperature. Check what, if any, correction is being made.

Check if the tracker has passed its field checks, or whether they have been performed....Two face, ADM vs IFM, reflector check, the operators should be familiar with these terms.

There's lots of other things but please check these first, 400 micron is a lot, are you sure its not 40 micron? Easy to make this oversight, have done it myself many times!

Hope this helps.
 

John Broomfield

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Welshwizard,

Unfortunately punith left us sometime ago without reporting back

Doubtless others will find our suggestions helpful or add their own

Thanks,

John

 
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