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Old 16th January 2007, 12:22 PM
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Question TS 16949 Registration - Is this an automotive mandate?

One of our customers just told us that in three years we will have to be TS certified or they will not buy from us. Is this an automotive mandate? Can someone please explain. Thanks in advance.

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Old 16th January 2007, 01:00 PM
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Re: TS certification

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One of our customers just told us that in three years we will have to be TS certified or they will not buy from us. Is this an automotive mandate? Can someone please explain. Thanks in advance.
Not an automotive mandate, but your customer is mandating it!

We have several customers that insist on the TS certification (and ISO 14000).
However, look on the bright side, 3 years is plenty of time to implement!
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Old 16th January 2007, 01:02 PM
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Re: TS certification

For some automotive it is. We supply Allison Transmission and they have made the same mandate. Still not clear if this affects only new part#'s or anything we are currently producing.
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Old 16th January 2007, 01:26 PM
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One of our customers just told us that in three years we will have to be TS certified or they will not buy from us. Is this an automotive mandate? Can someone please explain. Thanks in advance.
Dbulak:
What is it that you make? The rules on applying TS are more defined than for QS-9000. If you don't make a product for an automotive/truck/motorcyle customers' use, then you can't be TS certified. So, if you make parts for tractors etc (or other 'off road vehicles) then TS doesn't apply.

There's isn't one organization mandating TS for supplier, however as stated above, customers do/will require it and your business won't get far in the automotive industry without it.

Andy
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Old 16th January 2007, 03:49 PM
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Re: TS 16949 Registration - Is this an automotive mandate?

Be careful here. Not just everyone can require you to get TS16949 registration. Only someone who is a TS "subscriber" can make this stick. However, finding out who exactly is on this list is problematic (see thread). While I am registered to TS, I cannot require my suppliers to register because they will not be able to find a registrar that will accept them. The best I can demand is that they register to ISO9001 and comply to TS16949. Of course, I'm the one who would have to audit them for compliance.

I would strongly suggest that you contact your registrar, if you are already ISO9001 registered, and give them your customer name and ask them if they will register you to TS. If you don't have a registrar, I'm sure that you could PM Sidney Vianna and he can hook you up with a quote! If DNV refuses to quote you for TS registration, you have a sure bet that you cannot register.
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Old 16th January 2007, 03:55 PM
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Re: TS 16949 Registration - Is this an automotive mandate?

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Be careful here. Not just everyone can require you to get TS16949 registration. Only someone who is a TS "subscriber" can make this stick. However, finding out who exactly is on this list is problematic (see thread). While I am registered to TS, I cannot require my suppliers to register because they will not be able to find a registrar that will accept them. The best I can demand is that they register to ISO9001 and comply to TS16949. Of course, I'm the one who would have to audit them for compliance.

I would strongly suggest that you contact your registrar, if you are already ISO9001 registered, and give them your customer name and ask them if they will register you to TS. If you don't have a registrar, I'm sure that you could PM Sidney Vianna and he can hook you up with a quote! If DNV refuses to quote you for TS registration, you have a sure bet that you cannot register.
Not sure I totally agree, we are a tier 2 automotive supplier, our customer requires us to be registered to TS16949:2002, I know for a fact they are not a "subscriber". If we do not maintain our registration status, we can not quote new business.
An example: Gm is a subscriber,(our end customer) they require their suppliers (our direct customer) to be registered, as a TS registered company, you are required to have (or get) your suppliers registered. Therefore the snowball started at the subscriber level and cascades down from there.

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Old 16th January 2007, 04:33 PM
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Re: TS 16949 Registration - Is this an automotive mandate?

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as a TS registered company, you are required to have (or get) your suppliers registered.
I'll take issue with this much of your post.
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In Reply to Parent Post by ISO/TS 16949:2002 Section 7.4.1.2, Supplier Quality Management System Development

The organization shall perform supplier quality management system development with the goal of supplier conformity (emphasis mine) with this Technical Specification. Conformity with ISO 9001:2000 is the first step in achieving this goal.
NOTE The prioritization of suppliers for development depends upon, for example the supplier's quality performance and the importance of the product supplied.
Unless otherwise specified by the customer, suppliers to the organization shall be third party registered to ISO 9001:2000 by an accredited third-party certification body.
There is no shall associated with TS registration in either the standard or the IATF guidance. That said, I am aware by grapevine that there are Tier I suppliers to the Big Three that registrars will accept as requiring TS16949 registration as a Customer Specific Requirement.
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Old 17th January 2007, 08:48 AM
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The Hat Re: TS 16949 Registration - Is this an automotive mandate?

It's a fact that automotive industry requires TS 16949 registration if you want to be a supplier of that industry.

TS 16949 is a first step of rules for coming in automotive world,but there is something else to be underlined that is which tier you are. If you are Tier #1 then you should be certified to TS 16949, if you are Tier #2 then you should be certified to 9001:2000. If you are Tier #3 or more there is no statement in TS 16949.
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