Supplier Quality Management Development

[qalsang]

Under Sanctioned Interpretation 7.4.1.2 on Supplier Quality System

Development , does it mean we must conduct a yearly audits on suppliers

even though they are already certified to ISO90001:2008 ?

Isn't the annual audit conducted by the certification body sufficient?

Pls help me to understand this .

 

[qusys]

The certification to ISO 9001 is the first step for the suppliers.
You should demonstrate that step by step you carry them towards the compliance to ISO TS. For example, the isage of FMEA, Control, 8D etc...
To do so, this depends upon the quality performance of the supplier and the importance of the supplied products.

 

[Jim Wynne]

Under Sanctioned Interpretation 7.4.1.2 on Supplier Quality System

Development , does it mean we must conduct a yearly audits on suppliers

even though they are already certified to ISO90001:2008 ?

Isn't the annual audit conducted by the certification body sufficient?

Pls help me to understand this .

The sanctioned interpretation says (in part):

The organization shall perform supplier quality management system development with the goal of supplier conformity with this Technical Specification. Conformity with ISO 9001:2000 demonstrated by a certification by an accredited third party certification/registration body or through a second party audit process is the first step in achieving this goal.

My emphasis.

Notice the "or." Also notice the reference to ISO 9001:2000. Nonetheless, if the supplier is registered to ISO 9001 by an accredited CB, second party audits aren' required at all, let alone annually.

 

[qusys]

The sanctioned interpretation says (in part):
My emphasis.

Notice the "or." Also notice the reference to ISO 9001:2000. Nonetheless, if the supplier is registered to ISO 9001 by an accredited CB, second party audits aren' required at all, let alone annually.

Yes, I agree , Jim.
But another line is also: "After the initial audit, the second party surveillance audits shall be conducted at least annually

I think that the Cover referred to this.

I think that sometimes the sanctioned clause should be integral part of ISO TS, included directly in the technical specification

 

[Jim Wynne]

Yes, I agree , Jim.
But another line is also: "After the initial audit, the second party surveillance audits shall be conducted at least annually

I think that the Cover referred to this.

I think that sometimes the sanctioned clause should be integral part of ISO TS, included directly in the technical specification

The OP was clearly asking if annual 2nd party audits are required when suppliers are certified to ISO 9001. The answer is "no" and the bit you quote is irrelevant in that light.

 

[Ralph Long]

I don't have the standard in front of me, but IIRC - it's up to the organization to define their evaluation process... but they need to have a supplier evaluation process. I don't believe it specifies that audits are required. I believe it's basically just recommended as an effective technique in the evaluation process.

If you have an evaluation process and a supplier performs poorly (as defined by the organization), then auditing may be necessary. Again - based on the organization's criteria.

 

[qusys]

The OP was clearly asking if annual 2nd party audits are required when suppliers are certified to ISO 9001. The answer is "no" and the bit you quote is irrelevant in that light.

Understood your point and previous post question.
But, again, I do not know if this is right according to the sanctioned interpretation.

Reading and reading again the point, it appears that also the suppliers that have ISO9001 certifcation should be audited by the customer at least annually, after the initial audit.
Am i wrong with this interpretation?

 

[qusys]

I don't have the standard in front of me, but IIRC - it's up to the organization to define their evaluation process... but they need to have a supplier evaluation process. I don't believe it specifies that audits are required. I believe it's basically just recommended as an effective technique in the evaluation process.

If you have an evaluation process and a supplier performs poorly (as defined by the organization), then auditing may be necessary. Again - based on the organization's criteria.

Hi Ralph.
What's IIRC?

 

[Ralph Long]

Sorry - short hand for If I Remember Correctly.

 

[Jim Wynne]

Understood your point and previous post question.
But, again, I do not know if this is right according to the sanctioned interpretation.

Reading and reading again the point, it appears that also the suppliers that have ISO9001 certifcation should be audited by the customer at least annually, after the initial audit.
Am i wrong with this interpretation?

Yes. It's the difference between "or" and "and." There doesn't need to be an initial audit, or any subsequent audits if the supplier is duly registered to ISO 9001.