Scope content of TS 16949 certificate under Rules 4

[Marcel V]

Can anyone tell me if CB can just modify the scope of TS certificate after surveillance audit under new Rules 4 - 5.13 b)?
Does content only need to include "Design and Manufacturing of ..... products"?

 

[Howard Atkins]

Re: Scope content of TS certificate under Rules 4

This in fact was also the case for rules 3 but for some reason some CBs were not maintaining this requirement.
The same is/was true for the fact that automotive is not allowed in the scope

 

[Marcel V]

Re: Scope content of TS certificate under Rules 4

Thanks Howard, but why do services like "Technical Service", "Logistic supply" also need to be excluded? These are still meeting the applicability of TS16949?
Also if the scope is minimized would that not limit the audit scope for CB's as well?

 

[Howard Atkins]

The rules state

1.0 ELIGIBILITY FOR CERTIFICATION TO ISO/TS 16949
ISO/TS 16949 defines the quality management system requirements for a client providing design and development, production and, when relevant, assembly, installation, and services (see the definition of ?Manufacturing? below for the list of services) of automotive-related products.
?Client? shall be understood as the entire entity (including all related manufacturing sites and remote supporting locations) applying for ISO/TS 16949 certification.
ISO/TS 16949 is applicable to all sites of a client where customer-specified production parts and/or service parts are manufactured.
?Customer-specified production parts? shall be understood as parts that are an integral part of a vehicle. The only customer-specified parts that do not meet this requirement but are to be included are the following: fire extinguisher, carjacks, and floor mats.
?Site? shall be understood as the location at which value-added manufacturing processes occur
(see ISO/TS 16949, section 3.1). Fabless sites are not eligible for ISO/TS 16949 certification (see section 10.0).
?Manufacturing? shall be understood as ?the process of making or fabricating production materials, production of service parts, assemblies, or heat treating, welding, painting, plating, or other finishing services of automotive-related parts? (see ISO/TS 16949, section 3.1.6).
?Service parts? shall be understood as replacement parts manufactured to OEM specifications that are procured or released by the OEM for service-part applications including remanufactured parts
Only manufacturing sites where production and/or service parts are manufactured and supplied to automotive customers are eligible for ISO/TS 16949 certification.

These are the activities that can be certified.

In the ISO 9001 world actions such as sales etc are added to the scope for reasons that I do not fully understand as how can a company exist without sales? Have you seen anyone put purchasing in the scope?

As the standard says clearly

The only permitted exclusions for this Technical Specification relate to 7.3 where the organization is not responsible for product design and development.
Permitted exclusions do not include manufacturing process design.

I can audit all requirements such as logistic supply whether it is in the scope or not and I would say in other standards as long as it is not excluded whether it is in the scope or not is irrelevant.
In fact the logistics supply could be in a separate "support site" which would not have a stand alone certificate but be mentioned in an annex to the manufacturing site certificate and was audited for this specific action as well as its overall connection to the QMS such as internal audits etc.

 

[Marcel V]

Talking about Eligibility, would a bulk chemical material manufacturing organization (not making parts - done by Tier 1 or OEM) be eligible for ISO/TS 16949 certification considering the Rules 4 (1.0)?

 

[jelly1921]

Talking about Eligibility, would a bulk chemical material manufacturing organization (not making parts - done by Tier 1 or OEM) be eligible for ISO/TS 16949 certification considering the Rules 4 (1.0)?

Yes, like lubricant, anti-freeze fluid, brake fluid, cleaning fluid etc.

 

[Howard Atkins]

Yes, like lubricant, anti-freeze fluid, brake fluid, cleaning fluid etc.

From my quote above (see emphasis)

?Manufacturing? shall be understood as ?the process of making or fabricating production materials, production of service parts, assemblies, or heat treating, welding, painting, plating, or other finishing services of automotive-related parts?