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Old 10th October 2016, 04:46 PM
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Re: Initial Impressions of Newly Released IATF 16949 Standard

No, but it means you need to purchase a copy of ISO 9001:2015 to hold in your right hand with the IATF 16949 in your left (or vice versa for lefties or those in the southern hemisphere). Anyway, they're not combined into one document like they were with ISO/TS 16949:2009. I paid about $170 USD for my copy of ISO 9001:2015.

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Old 10th October 2016, 05:20 PM
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No, but it means you need to purchase a copy of ISO 9001:2015 to hold in your right hand with the IATF 16949 in your left (or vice versa for lefties or those in the southern hemisphere). Anyway, they're not combined into one document like they were with ISO/TS 16949:2009. I paid about $170 USD for my copy of ISO 9001:2015.
Too bad you bought it from a "local" source. ISO 9001 can be purchased from many national sources at a variety of prices for the same content. Malaysia seems to be the bargain basement right now. Here's a post from another thread that could have saved you $158:

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Good point. It appears that the Malaysian version MS ISO 9001:2015 is selling for 50 Malaysian Ringgit. That's approximately 12 US Dollars.

http://www.msonline.gov.my/catalog.php
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Old 12th October 2016, 09:25 AM
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I haven't read it yet, but I noticed some IATF16949 clauses are blank and refer to ISO9001:2015. Does that mean we need to be ISO9001:2015 certified now?
Our registrar received 'clarification' yesterday that the IATF is allowing an IATF 16949 certificate to be issued without the presence of an ISO 9001 certificate.

I'm not a fan of having two separate documents and I'm toying with the idea of creating an internal document of auditable clauses that combines the two similar to the way it used to be. Just makes for a lot more work for the convenience though....
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Old 13th October 2016, 02:18 PM
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Re: Initial Impressions of Newly Released IATF 16949 Standard

I've attached a spreadsheet I've used for several years with several standards, see legend at bottom. I have not updated it since 2014 so you would need to address ISO:2015 as well as TS16949 BUT it's a whole lot better than starting over. Use as needed or don't.
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File Type: xls 4.9.14 - 9001, 16949, 13485, 21CFR820, AS9100C.xls (229.5 KB, 703 views)
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Old 13th October 2016, 03:48 PM
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Re: Initial Impressions of Newly Released IATF 16949 Standard

ISO9001:2015 Is a separate standard and it is a part of the certification process of IATF 16949:2016. You cannot be Certified to IATF without the 9001:2015. When you get the IATF in theory you can ask for both certificates.
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Old 21st October 2016, 04:29 AM
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Getting IATF Certified will not by default be entitled for ISO 9001 certificate. You need to add it in the scope of audit. Your procedures should refer to the ISO 9001 clause, and the auditor (CB) need to take separate samples related to Non automotive (if you have). This is based on my little knowledge
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Old 21st October 2016, 12:37 PM
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Re: Initial Impressions of Newly Released IATF 16949 Standard

Notice that Preventive Action is mandatory where it is removed from ISO9001:2015

Where Quality Manual is not required in ISO9001:2015 it is a required document in IATF16949.

Standard clarifies the old ISO ( the word "containment" is in Corrective action whereas it was not found in the old ISO) and other implied requirements are now clarified.
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Old 28th October 2016, 09:27 AM
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Re: Initial Impressions of Newly Released IATF 16949 Standard

They go together. Your certification might be IATF16949 (or ISO/TS16949) but it includes both standards because they compliment each other. ISO is general industry and you add the IATF/TS to it to make it automotive specific. Only one certification.
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