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Old 13th February 2018, 06:14 PM
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Re: IATF 16949 Clause 8.7.1.7 Nonconforming Product Disposition - Scrap Rendered Unus

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Unintended use of components may become a liability to your company and the tiers of customers.

"Johnny's Hard To Find Component" Ebay site may be a liability, also.
Not when you're talking about components that go into an assembly. I can guarantee I can show you parts you would have no idea what they where for. The problem with the requirement is they treated every problem the same -- there really isn't any risk analysis involved.

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Old 14th February 2018, 04:49 AM
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Re: IATF 16949 Clause 8.7.1.7 Nonconforming Product Disposition - Scrap Rendered Unus

This is also true, If you stole one of the components we manufacture out of the scrap bin, not only would you have great difficulty understanding what it was and were it was used, you would also have to have that exact engine it is used on (as it is only used on one specific type), you would also have to have the specialist skills to weld it where it goes, and believe me if you were to attempt this, safety would not be one of your core concerns.

Humans as in nature and physics, generally take the path of least resistance.

No one is ever going to steal one of the components, and use it them selves or sell it on e-bay to someone who will then use it to replace the part in their cars engine when there are so many other cheaper, easier and safer routes to accomplishing this task.

It would be the equivalent of trying to replace the metal banding in your cars tyre, it is never going to happen.

I suppose the argument boils down to "What is the value is using resource and increasing the chances that an employee would hurt themselves to make something unusable, more unusable?".
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Old 14th February 2018, 05:05 AM
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Re: IATF 16949 Clause 8.7.1.7 Nonconforming Product Disposition - Scrap Rendered Unus

I wouldn't suggest others arguing with auditor, when my system does not meet requirement because I found it stupid. I am too responsible for that.
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Old 14th February 2018, 10:15 AM
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I wouldn't suggest others arguing with auditor, when my system does not meet requirement because I found it stupid. I am too responsible for that.
Sebastian, in my experience, the overwhelming majority of auditors that I have come into contact with don't have your black and white view of the standards, and tend to adopt a real world approach when reviewing their application during audit.

The conclusion of my risk analysis was that whatever system we implemented to try and make the unusable components more unusable, would significantly increase risk to our customer and our employees. It did not conclude that the requirement was “Stupid”.

Standards are not finite, their application is open to interpretation and not every circumstance for their application can be considered by the committee that writes them.
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Old 14th February 2018, 10:24 AM
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Re: IATF 16949 Clause 8.7.1.7 Nonconforming Product Disposition - Scrap Rendered Unus

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Sebastian, in my experience, the overwhelming majority of auditors that I have come into contact with don't have your black and white view of the standards, and tend to adopt a real world approach when reviewing their application during audit.

The conclusion of my risk analysis was that whatever system we implemented to try and make the unusable components more unusable, would significantly increase risk to our customer and our employees. It did not conclude that the requirement was “Stupid”.

Standards are not finite, their application is open to interpretation and not every circumstance for their application can be considered by the committee that writes them.
True. 4 out of 5 are reasonable. But then there is always "that guy."
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Old 15th February 2018, 12:35 AM
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Re: IATF 16949 Clause 8.7.1.7 Nonconforming Product Disposition - Scrap Rendered Unus

Perhaps a little out of the box thinking could be applied.

I had a vhs tape with some rather ... personal footage on it

To dispose of it I opened the cassette, spooled out the tape, put it in a bag with some spoiled spaghetti sauce and put it in the dumpster. Perhaps a similar liquid approach could be taken with your scrap material. Maybe you could strike a deal with somebody who wants to dispose of old paint. When it's dry it's legal to put in the trash.
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Old 15th February 2018, 02:29 AM
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Re: IATF 16949 Clause 8.7.1.7 Nonconforming Product Disposition - Scrap Rendered Unus

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I wouldn't suggest others arguing with auditor, when my system does not meet requirement because I found it stupid. I am too responsible for that.
Rigid requirements that don't add value are in fact stupid. But who cares it's only the company's money.
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Old 15th February 2018, 02:32 AM
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Re: IATF 16949 Clause 8.7.1.7 Nonconforming Product Disposition - Scrap Rendered Unus

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Perhaps a little out of the box thinking could be applied.

I had a vhs tape with some rather ... personal footage on it

To dispose of it I opened the cassette, spooled out the tape, put it in a bag with some spoiled spaghetti sauce and put it in the dumpster. Perhaps a similar liquid approach could be taken with your scrap material. Maybe you could strike a deal with somebody who wants to dispose of old paint. When it's dry it's legal to put in the trash.
Problem is that wouldn't render them "unusable." Just clean off the paint, which likely won't stick anyway because of the oil, and you're ready to use again.
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