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Old 13th July 2018, 11:58 AM
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Re: IATF 16949 Clause 8.7.1.7 Nonconforming Product Disposition - Scrap Rendered Unus

morteza,

It is what you PPAP to your Customer. We stamp body panels - some we apply primer through eCoat, some we don't.

If we scrap a part we PPAP with eCoat BEFORE the eCoat process, then we do not need to render it unusable. Crazy as that sounds - because I don't believe that meets the intent of the standard - those are the rules.

I heard the managing director of the IAOB speaking yesterday. This requirement is due to the auto makers finding product with their logos offered up for sale on eBay and similar sites. Therefore, we all must pay. The other point is that on page 8 of the standard are the email addresses for the oversight offices. Use them. IAOB is committed to reviewing all questions and recommendations - just be specific with the problem you are experiencing.
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Old 9th August 2018, 11:59 AM
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Re: IATF 16949 Clause 8.7.1.7 Nonconforming Product Disposition - Scrap Rendered Unus

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Further thoughts are appreciated as well as solutions which are applied to high volume batch processes of Section 8.7.1.7: Nonconforming product disposition:

If the clause applies to disposition outside the manufacturing batch process, which our organization terms as MRB (Material Review Board), then meeting the clause seems reasonable. A reject is already dispositioned as part of the manufacturing process and thus not awaiting a disposition through a formal MRB process. For our organization, rendering rejects (start-up and troubleshooting) unusable from a batch process would be costly, as methods would need to be defined as well as additional equipment and labor added to the process flow.

If I read from an AIAG upload (pasted below), would a robust procedure defining manufacturing rejects as a separate process from which disposition as scrap are made through the formal MRB process meet the intent of the clause? We would also demonstrate we contain and do not pass rejects on within the manufacturing process.

Section 8.7.1.7: Nonconforming product disposition
• Strengthen the requirement of disposition of nonconforming product by clarifying that organizations must also have a documented process for disposition of nonconforming product not subject to rework or repair.
• Planned activities need to be managed and the results considered to improve this process.
• Contamination control practices should be applied to avoid any risk of unintended use of this type of nonconforming products.
• Customer approval is required before nonconforming products in this category can be diverted for service or any other use.

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Carl
Need some guidance on when a Rework -Work Instruction is needed:
Rework

Example 1 – if a part makes it from operation 10 to the final operation 50 and the end of line tester finds that the heat failed and the part is given to the Team Leader and it is found that one of the wires was not seated in the connector, and then she pushes it back in and sends it back thru the end of line tester and it now passes, is that considered rework or repair? If yes, does there have to be a work instruction for this or how would you handle this?

We consider REWORK as a part that either has an appearance issue or a broken wire on the inside, then it goes to the rework area offline and it is broken down and bad parts are scrapped and good parts go back to the material bins at the line. We have this process.
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Old 9th August 2018, 04:44 PM
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Re: IATF 16949 Clause 8.7.1.7 Nonconforming Product Disposition - Scrap Rendered Unus

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How do companies address the following requirement?

"the organization shall verify that the product to be scrapped is rendered unusable prior to disposal."

How would you do this without cutting up / destroying the part?
Example would be bearing supplier. Would they be required to cut the raceways?
Example would be a shaft supplier. Would they be required to melt or cut the shafts prior to disposal?

Any suggestions other than buy a saw to cut the parts?
The bearing supplier could fill the raceway with epoxy (which might be easier than cutting the raceway). The shaft supplier might be able to bend the shaft, which would be easier than melting the shaft. If the shaft has a threaded end, the function of the shaft can be rendered unusable by simply ruining the thread (for example).
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Old 9th August 2018, 05:36 PM
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Re: IATF 16949 Clause 8.7.1.7 Nonconforming Product Disposition - Scrap Rendered Unus

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morteza,


I heard the managing director of the IAOB speaking yesterday. This requirement is due to the auto makers finding product with their logos offered up for sale on eBay and similar sites. Therefore, we all must pay. The other point is that on page 8 of the standard are the email addresses for the oversight offices. Use them. IAOB is committed to reviewing all questions and recommendations - just be specific with the problem you are experiencing.
No question this is the intent behind the requirement. The problem is they have taken it to is illogical conclusion. Making the washer guy destroy his washers before he scraps them is silly. It's not identifiable to it's end use.
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