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Old 3rd March 2017, 03:00 PM
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Please Help! IATF 16949 Clause 8.7.1.7 Nonconforming Product Disposition - Scrap Rendered Unusable

How do companies address the following requirement?

"the organization shall verify that the product to be scrapped is rendered unusable prior to disposal."

How would you do this without cutting up / destroying the part?
Example would be bearing supplier. Would they be required to cut the raceways?
Example would be a shaft supplier. Would they be required to melt or cut the shafts prior to disposal?

Any suggestions other than buy a saw to cut the parts?

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Old 3rd March 2017, 06:01 PM
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Re: IATF 16949 Clause 8.7.1.7 Nonconforming Product Disposition - Scrap Rendered Unus

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Any suggestions other than buy a saw to cut the parts?
Crushing, drilling, etching, etc...anything that mutilates the part to the extent it makes unusable.
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Old 24th April 2017, 12:15 PM
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Please Help! Re: IATF 16949 Clause 8.7.1.7 Nonconforming Product Disposition - Scrap Rendered Unus

Further thoughts are appreciated as well as solutions which are applied to high volume batch processes of Section 8.7.1.7: Nonconforming product disposition:

If the clause applies to disposition outside the manufacturing batch process, which our organization terms as MRB (Material Review Board), then meeting the clause seems reasonable. A reject is already dispositioned as part of the manufacturing process and thus not awaiting a disposition through a formal MRB process. For our organization, rendering rejects (start-up and troubleshooting) unusable from a batch process would be costly, as methods would need to be defined as well as additional equipment and labor added to the process flow.

If I read from an AIAG upload (pasted below), would a robust procedure defining manufacturing rejects as a separate process from which disposition as scrap are made through the formal MRB process meet the intent of the clause? We would also demonstrate we contain and do not pass rejects on within the manufacturing process.

Section 8.7.1.7: Nonconforming product disposition
• Strengthen the requirement of disposition of nonconforming product by clarifying that organizations must also have a documented process for disposition of nonconforming product not subject to rework or repair.
• Planned activities need to be managed and the results considered to improve this process.
• Contamination control practices should be applied to avoid any risk of unintended use of this type of nonconforming products.
• Customer approval is required before nonconforming products in this category can be diverted for service or any other use.

Thanks,
Carl

Last edited by clider; 24th April 2017 at 02:43 PM.
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Old 26th April 2017, 05:40 AM
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Re: IATF 16949 Clause 8.7.1.7 Nonconforming Product Disposition - Scrap Rendered Unus

For me this is clearly off-line activity.
During on-line inspection activities we determine nonconforming part.
We separate nonconforming part from conforming parts and then we have three options, what to do with it:
rework,
repair,
scrap.
So last option is a final stage of nonconforming product life and must include activities preventing it from appearing somehow on field and usage against organizational/OEM intention.

Last edited by Sebastian; 26th April 2017 at 06:24 AM.
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Old 26th April 2017, 04:42 PM
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Re: IATF 16949 Clause 8.7.1.7 Nonconforming Product Disposition - Scrap Rendered Unus

Somewhere there exists a video of a large truck, somewhere in Japan, slowly rolling back and forth over a large volume of small boxes, filled with nonconforming cell phone displays. I've heard the tale, seen the video, but can't recall where.

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Old 14th November 2017, 03:57 AM
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Re: IATF 16949 Clause 8.7.1.7 Nonconforming Product Disposition - Scrap Rendered Unus

Dear all,

See IATF 16949 FAQ No.11 (Oct. 2017) on this subject :

http://www.iatfglobaloversight.org/w...tober-2017.pdf

François
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Old 22nd November 2017, 09:22 AM
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Re: IATF 16949 Clause 8.7.1.7 Nonconforming Product Disposition - Scrap Rendered Unus

So in the case of metal product NCP, our process moves material to Scrap Bins at our dock, which are then picked up by a Scrap Metal service. Provided they give us a document indicating a flow which includes 'rendering unusable' which we approve, are we clear?
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Old 24th November 2017, 06:58 AM
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Re: IATF 16949 Clause 8.7.1.7 Nonconforming Product Disposition - Scrap Rendered Unus

The answer to the question 3 adds «*provided you check regularly at your service provider’s that the products are actually rendered unusable*».
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