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Who has had a Transition Audit from TS 16949 to IATF 16949
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Old 16th October 2017, 09:28 AM
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We already got our IATF transition audit. 4 audit days, 1 DQS auditor. It was a lot of stress because every question can be answered in different way. 16 minor non conformities, no majors. One key that helped us was to have any evidence for each auditor question, it is better to have something that have nothing. We went thru paragraph by paragraph. Well, we are so happy to achieve this, now it is to time to keep the system running.
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Old 17th October 2017, 07:21 AM
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Well we have completed our 3 day transition audit and came out with zero majors and three minors, are all easily rectified.
The minors were:

9.2.2.2 Quality Management System Audit: Although we had a well-defined CSR Matrix (thanks for the template) our audits had no record of us reviewing our CRSís during the internal audits.

7.1.5.2.1 Calibration/Verification Records: There was a single attribute gauge out of calibration. It was a gauge dedicated to a specific job. It was a job that runs once in a blue moon and the machine had been changed over to it during the first day of the audit, and the machine setter had pulled the gauge out of storage to run the job.

7.5.1.1 Quality Management System Documentation: We had an operating procedure that didnít require wholesale updating (like most of the others) as it was still relevant, and we were still doing everything described within it, however it did contain a single reference to TS16949 that we missed.

Like most minor nonconformities, they are silly and avoidable things that really shouldn't happen however they are not the end of the world, and will allow us to close them out quickly and transition to the new standard without a break between TS and IATF.
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Old 17th October 2017, 10:33 AM
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Well we have completed our 3 day transition audit and came out with zero majors and three minors, are all easily rectified.
The minors were:

9.2.2.2 Quality Management System Audit: Although we had a well-defined CSR Matrix (thanks for the template) our audits had no record of us reviewing our CRSís during the internal audits.

7.1.5.2.1 Calibration/Verification Records: There was a single attribute gauge out of calibration. It was a gauge dedicated to a specific job. It was a job that runs once in a blue moon and the machine had been changed over to it during the first day of the audit, and the machine setter had pulled the gauge out of storage to run the job.

7.5.1.1 Quality Management System Documentation: We had an operating procedure that didnít require wholesale updating (like most of the others) as it was still relevant, and we were still doing everything described within it, however it did contain a single reference to TS16949 that we missed.

Like most minor nonconformities, they are silly and avoidable things that really shouldn't happen however they are not the end of the world, and will allow us to close them out quickly and transition to the new standard without a break between TS and IATF.
Seriously? The auditor wrote you an NC for THIS?

7.5.1.1 Quality Management System Documentation: We had an operating procedure that didnít require wholesale updating (like most of the others) as it was still relevant, and we were still doing everything described within it, however it did contain a single reference to TS16949 that we missed.
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Old 17th October 2017, 10:53 AM
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7.5.1.1 Quality Management System Documentation: We had an operating procedure that didnít require wholesale updating (like most of the others) as it was still relevant, and we were still doing everything described within it, however it did contain a single reference to TS16949 that we missed.
I agree with Andy. This is a nit that could have been mentioned in passing then dropped.
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Old 17th October 2017, 11:05 AM
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Re: Who has had a Transition Audit from TS 16949 to IATF 16949

I did also contain a reference to a section of our old quality manual that no longer exists in our new manual, so he decided to record that one (of the two out of date/obsolete references) and suggested we thoroughly review and update that procedure.

I would have been more descriptive in my first reply if I had known what the response would be. Apologies for that.
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Old 17th October 2017, 11:17 AM
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It's still nit picking and totally unnecessary. I have a ton of cross references in my stuff and the likelihood of getting them all in the first go around is nil. Just fix them when you find them.
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Old 17th October 2017, 11:24 AM
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If I was the Operations Manager for your CB and that NC came across my desk for review (as it is supposed to) I'd be calling the auditor to ask what drugs he was using while on the job...
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Old 17th October 2017, 11:46 AM
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Re: Who has had a Transition Audit from TS 16949 to IATF 16949

I can't believe you have me sticking up for an auditor, but just to play devils advocate.

Is not the incorrect reference to an outdated standard and a reference to an outdated quality manual enough evidence to suggest that this operating procedure has not been adequately audited to verify compliance with this (IATF) automotive QMS standard?
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