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IATF 16949:2016 Cl. 7.2.3 Internal Auditor Competency Requirements
IATF 16949:2016 Cl. 7.2.3 Internal Auditor Competency Requirements
IATF 16949:2016 Cl. 7.2.3 Internal Auditor Competency Requirements
IATF 16949:2016 Cl. 7.2.3 Internal Auditor Competency Requirements
IATF 16949:2016 Cl. 7.2.3 Internal Auditor Competency Requirements
IATF 16949:2016 Cl. 7.2.3 Internal Auditor Competency Requirements
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Old 27th June 2017, 05:50 PM
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Question IATF 16949:2016 Cl. 7.2.3 Internal Auditor Competency Requirements

Which trainings I need in order to accomplish this clause related to internal auditor competency (IATF 16949:2016)?

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Old 28th June 2017, 04:51 AM
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Following trainings would help to gain necessary competence and qualify as Internal auditor for IAF16949.


Internal auditor training for IATF16949:2016, ISO 9001:2015

Training on core tools (MSA, SPC, PPAP, FMEA, SPC, APQP & Control Plan).

Training on customer specific requirements.


But, competence evaluation is required prior to selection as an Internal auditor (Refer clause 7.2.3 for competency requirements) even after training.



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Old 30th June 2017, 12:38 PM
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Re: IATF 16949:2016 Cl. 7.2.3 Internal Auditor Competency Requirements

My opinion the way this is going is you'll need to attend one of the big time, expensive, auditing classes. A basic class/training won't get you there. I think they are basically looking for "certified" internal auditors.
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Old 30th June 2017, 01:35 PM
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Re: IATF 16949:2016 Cl. 7.2.3 Internal Auditor Competency Requirements

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My opinion the way this is going is you'll need to attend one of the big time, expensive, auditing classes. A basic class/training won't get you there. I think they are basically looking for "certified" internal auditors.
Nope. Internal auditors must be competent. The organization decides how this is accomplished and verified. Records are required.

The trainer (Internal or External) must be competent. Records of competency are required.

3rd Party Auditors can not make up a requirement that "expensive, auditing" classes are required.
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Old 30th June 2017, 07:31 PM
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Nope. Internal auditors must be competent. The organization decides how this is accomplished and verified. Records are required.

The trainer (Internal or External) must be competent. Records of competency are required.

3rd Party Auditors can not make up a requirement that "expensive, auditing" classes are required.
Yes but they can make your life miserable trying to "prove" it. A cert from a well known privide makes that easy.
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Its not that difficult.

Experience / training certificates of Internal / external trainer would be sufficient to demonstrate competence of the trainer.



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Old 1st July 2017, 02:47 AM
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Yes but they can make your life miserable trying to "prove" it. A cert from a well known privide makes that easy.
Then the auditor has no business auditing and the appeal procedure applies. Caving in to auditor bias is the worst an audit client can do.
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Old 11th July 2017, 12:15 PM
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Re: IATF 16949:2016 Cl. 7.2.3 Internal Auditor Competency Requirements

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My opinion the way this is going is you'll need to attend one of the big time, expensive, auditing classes. A basic class/training won't get you there. I think they are basically looking for "certified" internal auditors.
So I received an email from our registrar and they specifically addressed internal auditor competency. Basically they compared the requirements of their auditors and the 12+ hours they spent upgrading their qualifications with the suggestion that anything less could be a problem for internal auditors. As I suggested, it's trending toward "certified" internal auditors.
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