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Does nonconforming product disposition include parts bought from the supplier?
Does nonconforming product disposition include parts bought from the supplier?
Does nonconforming product disposition include parts bought from the supplier?
Does nonconforming product disposition include parts bought from the supplier?
Does nonconforming product disposition include parts bought from the supplier?
Does nonconforming product disposition include parts bought from the supplier?
Does nonconforming product disposition include parts bought from the supplier?
Does nonconforming product disposition include parts bought from the supplier?
Does nonconforming product disposition include parts bought from the supplier?
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Old 21st August 2017, 05:33 AM
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Question Does nonconforming product disposition include parts bought from the supplier?

It states 8.7.1.7 that for product not meeting requirements , the organization shall verify that the product to be scrapped is rendered unusable prior to disposal.

My understanding is that it also includes the parts we bought from our supplier. In my situation, we buy die casting and stamping parts from our supplier, if any problems found in our production, we put the parts in the red box and send the parts back to the supplier monthly, in most circumstances, they rework the parts and re-send them to us.

So, the quesiton is if we make the parts unusable, like cutting, the supplier may not accept it becuase sometimes the parts are expensive.

So, how to deal with these parts?

thanks in advance for your reply
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Old 21st August 2017, 09:13 AM
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Re: Does nonconforming product disposition include parts bought from the supplier?

First sentence of this requirement answers your question. Especially last 6 words.
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Old 21st August 2017, 10:41 AM
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Re: Does nonconforming product disposition include parts bought from the supplier?

If the parts are dispositioned for rework, they are not being scrapped, obviously.
However, apparently, the IATF 16949 standard requires you to obtain customer concurrence with the rework disposition BEFORE it happens.
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Old 21st August 2017, 10:51 AM
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Re: Does nonconforming product disposition include parts bought from the supplier?

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<snip> ...if any problems found in our production, we put the parts in the red box and send the parts back to the supplier monthly... <snip>
You are not scrapping the parts nor are YOU reworking them.

I'm not sure if you need customer concurrence, though, since technically your supplier is doing the rework. The question becomes how far down the chain is customer concurrence for rework required?
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Old 21st August 2017, 11:56 AM
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Re: Does nonconforming product disposition include parts bought from the supplier?

If you're under IATF/TS, anything not in accordance with current PPAP approval will need customer approval. IATF 8.7.1.1 and 8.7.1.4 lays it out pretty specifically. They are getting pretty stingy on this these days.
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Old 21st August 2017, 12:24 PM
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Re: Does nonconforming product disposition include parts bought from the supplier?

I don't have a copy of the standard (thank goodness).
Does it require prior approval for rework as well as repair?

if so, since rework is usually just redoing an approved process what is the rationale for prior approval?
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Old 21st August 2017, 12:34 PM
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Re: Does nonconforming product disposition include parts bought from the supplier?

Rationale?

It is even worse, Bev. Now that the scope of the IATF:16949 audits are mandated to include ALL automotive products, EVEN the ones that are destined to non subscribing customers such as Honda, Toyota, etc, the supplier will have to request an approval for reworking products from these clients as well. Which, CERTAINLY will create non value added FRICTION between the supplier and such customers. I can see a Toyota SQE thinking: Why is this supplier bugging me to approve a rework? Can I trust them? Are they competent?

Look at the discussion on this thread.
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Old 21st August 2017, 01:21 PM
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Re: Does nonconforming product disposition include parts bought from the supplier?

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I don't have a copy of the standard (thank goodness).
Does it require prior approval for rework as well as repair?

if so, since rework is usually just redoing an approved process what is the rationale for prior approval?
We run into this problem daily. We stamp and form a "round" cup. But after we punch all sorts of holes and such in the side, the dia. may get a bit wacky depending on the material, spring back, stress, etc. In some instances we may need to re-strike the part to bring it back in spec. We had a customer balk, because it wasn't part of the original process. They wanted to PPAP the re-work. If everyone wanted that, we would never get anything accomplished.
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