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IATF 16949 - 7.1.5.3.1 Internal calibration laboratory requirements
IATF 16949 - 7.1.5.3.1 Internal calibration laboratory requirements
IATF 16949 - 7.1.5.3.1 Internal calibration laboratory requirements
IATF 16949 - 7.1.5.3.1 Internal calibration laboratory requirements
IATF 16949 - 7.1.5.3.1 Internal calibration laboratory requirements
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Old 20th October 2017, 09:34 AM
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Please Help! IATF 16949 - 7.1.5.3.1 Internal calibration laboratory requirements

In reading the requirement of IATF 7.1.5.3.1(shown below), my interpretation is that items a thru f should be a part of the defined scope. I have heard some people say that a thru f are requirements that needs to be specified and implemented, but do not have to be a part of the written scope. Could someone share their thoughts on the correct interpretation?


7.1.5.3.1 Internal laboratory

An organization’s internal laboratory facility shall have a defined scope that includes its capability to perform in the required inspection, test, or calibration services. This laboratory scope shall be included in the quality management system documentation. The laboratory shall specify and implement, as a minimum, requirements for:

a) adequacy of the laboratory technical procedures;

b) competency of the laboratory personnel;

c) testing of the product;

d) capability to perform these services correctly, traceable to the relevant process standard (such as ASTM, EN, etc.); when no national or international standard(s) is available, the organization shall define and implement a methodology to verify measurement system capability;

e) customer requirements, if any;

f) review of the related records.

NOTE Accreditation to ISO/IEC 17025 (or equivalent) may be used to demonstrate the organization’s in-house laboratory conformity to this requirement.

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Old 23rd October 2017, 08:43 AM
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Re: IATF 16949 - 7.1.5.3.1 Internal calibration laboratory requirements

Lab Scope means a document describing the no of test or calibration activities carried out in lab, standard used & master / test equipment used for test or calibration
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Old 23rd October 2017, 08:52 AM
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Re: IATF 16949 - 7.1.5.3.1 Internal calibration laboratory requirements

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<snip> 7.1.5.3.1 Internal laboratory

An organization’s internal laboratory facility shall have a defined scope that includes its capability to perform in the required inspection, test, or calibration services. This laboratory scope shall be included in the quality management system documentation. The laboratory shall specify and implement, as a minimum... <snip>
Yup - All of the a through f line items..
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Old 7th May 2018, 03:05 PM
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Re: IATF 16949 - 7.1.5.3.1 Internal calibration laboratory requirements

If you are a production facility and use measurement devices and test equipment to support the manufacturing process; this would not fall under the internal laboratory intent. Reference the IATF 16949 FAQ.
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Old 15th May 2018, 01:22 PM
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Re: IATF 16949 - 7.1.5.3.1 Internal calibration laboratory requirements

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If you are a production facility and use measurement devices and test equipment to support the manufacturing process; this would not fall under the internal laboratory intent. Reference the IATF 16949 FAQ.
Can you direct me to where you see this in the FAQ's, or provide a quotation from the FAQ's? I don't see anything about internal laboratory requirements there.

I have the concerns about properly addressing our lab scope as well. We have an internal lab, but their "scope" is generally material testing, finished product testing, and investigations for manufacturing concerns. Our calibrations are performed by a 3rd party ISO 17025 accredited company. Do we still need to document a lab scope for this, or is it only applicable to "calibration labs"?

Last edited by Stijloor; 15th May 2018 at 01:28 PM. Reason: Terminology
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Old 16th May 2018, 12:30 AM
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Re: IATF 16949 - 7.1.5.3.1 Internal calibration laboratory requirements

We got a strength for having a lab manual that satifies all of internal lab requirements. The scope as we documented it is a subset of the lab manual describing the lab capabilities. In any case, no matter what you call it you will need to document all of the internal lab requirements of the IATF standard and be able to justify what your not doing. One auditor we has a fetish on magnehelic gauges and always verifies that the cfm exhaust has been checked...every audit...

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Old 16th May 2018, 04:15 AM
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Re: IATF 16949 - 7.1.5.3.1 Internal calibration laboratory requirements

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Can you direct me to where you see this in the FAQ's, or provide a quotation from the FAQ's? I don't see anything about internal laboratory requirements there.

I have the concerns about properly addressing our lab scope as well. We have an internal lab, but their "scope" is generally material testing, finished product testing, and investigations for manufacturing concerns. Our calibrations are performed by a 3rd party ISO 17025 accredited company. Do we still need to document a lab scope for this, or is it only applicable to "calibration labs"?
See page 5 - 7.1.5.3.2- Question 2 for the FAQ related to this.
Thanks to AMIT BALLAL for your informative Post and/or Attachment!
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Old 18th May 2018, 02:29 PM
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Re: IATF 16949 - 7.1.5.3.1 Internal calibration laboratory requirements

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See page 5 - 7.1.5.3.2- Question 2 for the FAQ related to this.
Reviewing this again, is the answer of #2 only pertaining to the external laboratory's statement/ability that they cannot use their in-line inspection equipment and claim it as an internal laboratory?
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