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IATF Minimum Automotive Quality Management System Requirements for Sub-Tier Suppliers
IATF Minimum Automotive Quality Management System Requirements for Sub-Tier Suppliers
IATF Minimum Automotive Quality Management System Requirements for Sub-Tier Suppliers
IATF Minimum Automotive Quality Management System Requirements for Sub-Tier Suppliers
IATF Minimum Automotive Quality Management System Requirements for Sub-Tier Suppliers
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Old 23rd October 2017, 09:10 AM
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Please Help! IATF Minimum Automotive Quality Management System Requirements for Sub-Tier Suppliers

Ok folks, There was a new e-mail sent out today stating that: "IATF 16949 identifies compliance to Minimum Automotive Quality Management System Requirements for Sub-Tier Suppliers (MAQMSR) as a possible intermediate step in supplier quality management system development (IATF 16949, section 8.4.2.3.c). Attached below is the MAQMSR document. The use of MAQMSR document is currently specified by FCA USA, FCA Italy, and Ford Motor Company." The post then goes no to list the minimums and relative section numbers.

SO. My question is, being that we are a Sub-Tier supplier. Does that then mean that our QMS is only required to meet those standards listed in that e-mail to be IATF 16949 Certified?

OR. Are we still held to the full IATF 16949 document?

A sub-tier standard would be very much appreciated for small family owned shops like the one I work for.

Thank you in advance for your time and replies.
Joe Rich

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Old 23rd October 2017, 09:54 AM
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Re: IATF Minimum Automotive Quality Management System Requirements for Sub-Tier Suppl

What is your position in supply chain and against what standard are you currently certified?
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Old 23rd October 2017, 10:10 AM
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Re: IATF Minimum Automotive Quality Management System Requirements for Sub-Tier Suppl

We are ISO 9001 TS:16949 Certified. Been working toward IATF 16949 sense February. This letter makes me question if we are over-doing things. We supply sub-assemblies to a Automotive supplier. No inhouse design or testing.
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Old 23rd October 2017, 11:00 AM
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Re: IATF Minimum Automotive Quality Management System Requirements for Sub-Tier Suppl

So, Tier-2 or even lower. If I understand it properly, ISO 9001:2015 certified suppliers are encouraged to implement requirements of MAQMSR in perspective of second party audit to be implemented in future.
Your situation is much complicated, as you are already ISO/TS 16949 certified. Your certificate will lost validity at least in September and you are allowed to be ISO 9001:2015 certified meanwhile implementing MAQMSR requirements. I do not know how your customer will evaluate your step back and IS0 9001 is definitely step back for your system.
Compare what is better for you. Step back and then implement slowly IATF 16949 and pay full certification charge or go through transition audit with a discount. Crucial thing is when is scheduled your next 3rd party audit and how your customer will evaluate eventual step back.
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Old 23rd October 2017, 01:57 PM
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Re: IATF Minimum Automotive Quality Management System Requirements for Sub-Tier Suppl

Ok a couple of things. First the IATF standard has a list of steps from ISO to IATF certification of the supply chain. One of those steps is this "sub-tier" requirements document -- i.e.; IATF Lite. It makes a lot of sense as it takes the real meat of the IATF/TS requirements and leaves out some of the burdensome outliers. But, as far as I know, there is no "certification" to that document.

Second, you customer will need to lay out where it needs you to be. They may mandate ISO or IATF and you'll need to work thru that.

Third, you'll need to figure out if the IATF upgrade is worth it. Being in yours shoes, I think it is overkill for your most small component sub tier providers. And I'll disagree, I don't think a move to ISO 9001:2015 is really a step back for your company. I think it's lateral. It's actually very similar to the old TS standard -- you will keep most of what you are doing to comply with TS. We kept about 98% of what we had. For example, while not specifically required, we kept the whole system, mfg. process, and product audit distinctions. You won't have to add a lot to what you currently have, save for some of the totally new org. context stuff.
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Old 24th October 2017, 08:45 AM
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Re: IATF Minimum Automotive Quality Management System Requirements for Sub-Tier Suppl

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SO. My question is, being that we are a Sub-Tier supplier. Does that then mean that our QMS is only required to meet those standards listed in that e-mail to be IATF 16949 Certified?

OR. Are we still held to the full IATF 16949 document?
The short story is that if you want IATF 16949 certification, you still need to meet all of the IATF 16949 requirements.

This document is for those companies that aren't certified to IATF 16949, but are in the automotive OEM supply chain. Their customers are required to show that their suppliers have a QMS that meets certain requirements just as you do now with ISO/TS 16949. As both Sebastian and Golfman have mentioned, you have a choice if you want your QMS to be certified to IATF 16949 or not. I suspect that your customers would prefer that your QMS be certified because it makes things easier for them. You may or may not lose business if you decide to not go for IATF 16949 certification.
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Old 8th January 2018, 01:35 PM
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Re: IATF Minimum Automotive Quality Management System Requirements for Sub-Tier Suppl

Rich,
I do not see the attachment.

Thanks,

Dennis Rosa
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Old 12th January 2018, 08:22 PM
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Re: IATF Minimum Automotive Quality Management System Requirements for Sub-Tier Suppl

Joe
There is a requirement for an IATF accredited company to have IATF suppliers too, but for some suppliers this isn't practical (as automotive may be a small % of their overall business), so the customer states what their minimum supplier requirement is (on top of 9001). I believe this is what you have now. If you are presently TS then the what's the difference between meeting this requirement alone or going all out for IATF?
Dave
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