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Old 5th March 2018, 04:22 PM
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To supplier of sorting, it must be required that this certificate with ISO 9001?

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Old 5th March 2018, 04:25 PM
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Is this in reference to IATF 16949 requirements?
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Old 5th March 2018, 04:58 PM
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Re: Sorting Supplier Requirements - IATF 16949 Cl. 8.4.2.3

Yes by IATF, we currently have suppliers sorting , and do not have ISO 9001 certificates, then we should develop their quality system?

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Old 5th March 2018, 08:28 PM
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Re: Sorting Supplier Requirements - IATF 16949 Cl. 8.4.2.3

Yes I believe sorting vendors would be subject to supplier development. Check the standard language. It may even mention them as being included - I can't recall right now.
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Old 13th March 2018, 07:38 PM
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Re: Sorting Supplier Requirements - IATF 16949 Cl. 8.4.2.3

The key here is the definition of "supplier development". There is a wide range of things which can be considered supplier development, some quite limited and some quite extensive. For a sorting company I would think it would be a small "project", so to speak, and I'm not sure it would be required. Usually sorting is relatively rare so an expensive, exhaustive supplier development program/effort wouldn't be of value unless you used them extensively, frequently, and if it is related to a safety item (such as airbags) critical to safety.
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Old 13th March 2018, 08:36 PM
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Re: Sorting Supplier Requirements - IATF 16949 Cl. 8.4.2.3

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The key here is the definition of "supplier development". There is a wide range of things which can be considered supplier development, some quite limited and some quite extensive. For a sorting company I would think it would be a small "project", so to speak, and I'm not sure it would be required. Usually sorting is relatively rare so an expensive, exhaustive supplier development program/effort wouldn't be of value unless you used them extensively, frequently, and if it is related to a safety item (such as airbags) critical to safety.
IATF is pretty clear about the development of suppliers from no QMS to full IATF certification.
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Old 13th March 2018, 09:52 PM
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IATF is pretty clear about the development of suppliers from no QMS to full IATF certification.
Please cite the requirement(s) from the standard or sanctioned interpretations.

It is certainly NOT the requirement that all suppliers must be "developed". Consider how much that would cost. It isn't realistic.

I first got into which suppliers have to be "developed" back in the 1990's and I don't think anything has significantly changed. In addition, I have gotten a number of companies tier 2 and below to successfully only be required ISO9001 rather than full blown TS 16949, and QS 9000 before that.

I have also been involved with sort projects where the company doing the sorting wasn't even ISO 9001 (admittedly some years ago).

Also see:

Supplier Development Requirements - TS 16949

Supplier Development - TS 16949 Flow Down Requirements - Tier 2 Supplier

You may find some more specific supplier development requirements in customer specific requirements such as http://www.iatfglobaloversight.org/w...ec.-2016-1.pdf
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Old 13th March 2018, 11:23 PM
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Re: Sorting Supplier Requirements - IATF 16949 Cl. 8.4.2.3

So start with 8.4.1.1 which requires the definition of externally provided products, processes, and services to include sorting, among others.

8.4.2.3 requires those suppliers to develop, implement and improve a QMS certified to ISO, unless otherwise authorized by the customer, with the ultimate objective of becoming IATF certified. It then lists several steps, such as min. Automotive supplier criteria, compliance wit IATF, etc.

So in response to Hender's question, their sorting suppliers should be ISO or at least working toward it and eventually toward IATF.
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