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Background:
I am a QMS Manager for a small design & build engineering corp. We are dual registered 13485:2003 & 9001:2008. We have a deeply committed management team, and staff who see the benefits to our program and have navigated two complete recertification cycles plus one surveillance audit with only four audit findings issued in that time (one of which was for registrar logo font size). Becuase our program's fundamental structures have not changed, we entered our second surveillance audit for our 3rd certification cycle last week with confidence. Apparently, that was a mistake. Our new auditor (a Ph.D. with four months experience as a registrar auditor) advised me the morning of day two (of a 2 day audit) that we already had 3 minor nonconformances and one major for record keeping. After some argument, he reduced the major to three minors, advised through the day there were two more, then closed the audit with a final issuance of four minors.
His first finding is as follows -
Statement of nonconformity:
Mandatory records are not being established and maintained properly.
Objective evidence:
The internal audit schedule is not treated as a record. [Internal record citations] & [Ref. ISO 13485: 2003 8.2.2; ISO 9001: 2008 8.2.2].
Is there a section of the standard I am missing that requires the audit schedule be treated as a mandatory record?
We revise our audit schedule annually (to review processes), leveraging the schedule as a log (with revision control & write protections). The schedule receives added information noting when an audit is completed for easy tracking of the audit program progress throughout the year. Our documented procedure outlines all of this in detail. I dont mean to be disrespectful of our auditor, but I do not see where he is coming from on this finding? Could he be misreading the requirement or laying on the 13485:2016 requirements for records?
Does anyone have any insight? Should I complain or appeal?
Our audit ran long and he didn't have time to discuss the findings during his closing which is why I am posting this now.
I am a QMS Manager for a small design & build engineering corp. We are dual registered 13485:2003 & 9001:2008. We have a deeply committed management team, and staff who see the benefits to our program and have navigated two complete recertification cycles plus one surveillance audit with only four audit findings issued in that time (one of which was for registrar logo font size). Becuase our program's fundamental structures have not changed, we entered our second surveillance audit for our 3rd certification cycle last week with confidence. Apparently, that was a mistake. Our new auditor (a Ph.D. with four months experience as a registrar auditor) advised me the morning of day two (of a 2 day audit) that we already had 3 minor nonconformances and one major for record keeping. After some argument, he reduced the major to three minors, advised through the day there were two more, then closed the audit with a final issuance of four minors.
His first finding is as follows -
Statement of nonconformity:
Mandatory records are not being established and maintained properly.
Objective evidence:
The internal audit schedule is not treated as a record. [Internal record citations] & [Ref. ISO 13485: 2003 8.2.2; ISO 9001: 2008 8.2.2].
Is there a section of the standard I am missing that requires the audit schedule be treated as a mandatory record?
We revise our audit schedule annually (to review processes), leveraging the schedule as a log (with revision control & write protections). The schedule receives added information noting when an audit is completed for easy tracking of the audit program progress throughout the year. Our documented procedure outlines all of this in detail. I dont mean to be disrespectful of our auditor, but I do not see where he is coming from on this finding? Could he be misreading the requirement or laying on the 13485:2016 requirements for records?
Does anyone have any insight? Should I complain or appeal?
Our audit ran long and he didn't have time to discuss the findings during his closing which is why I am posting this now.