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Old 24th November 2017, 08:20 PM
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Please Help! ISO 13485:2016 and MDSAP internal auditing

A small company is currently transitioning to ISO 13485:2016 and MDSAP. If somebody had ISO 13485:2016 internal auditor training, would they be qualified to audit the company to MDSAP requirements? Would they require additional MDSAP internal auditor training? What would the company's internal auditing program look like?

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Old 25th November 2017, 03:06 AM
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Re: ISO 13485:2016 and MDSAP internal auditing

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<snip> additional MDSAP internal auditor training <snip>
I donít think thereís even such a thing. MDSAP is not an independent quality management scheme; it is merely a program to consolidate auditing under ISO 13485 and members regulatory schemes.

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What would the company's internal auditing program look like?
Basically, like one following ISO 13485. Compliance with applicable regulatory requirements is an integral part of ISO 13485, so itís included in the scope by default.
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Old 25th November 2017, 10:01 PM
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Re: ISO 13485:2016 and MDSAP internal auditing

In addition to being competent in ISO 13485:2016 they should also be competent in the MDSAP international regulations that apply.
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Old 8th December 2017, 03:37 PM
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Re: ISO 13485:2016 and MDSAP internal auditing

Depending on the size of your company and your registrar's requirements it might be nice to attend a training course covering the transition to MDSAP, but if you are already certified to ISO 13485:2003 and have transitioned over to the 2016 version (or are in the process of doing so) then you have already covered most of what MDSAP is looking for. The only additions are specific regulatory requirements for countries that your company sells medical devices to.

MDSAP itself will not replace your ISO 134885 cert, but it theoretically will allow regulatory auditor from Brazil, Japan, Canada, the FDA, etc. to all be satisfied by a single MDSAP audit report. Of course they will perform follow up audits on findings that score above a certain level, but in essence their workload will be minimized because the scope of their visit will be much more narrow.
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Old 8th December 2017, 06:16 PM
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The only additions are specific regulatory requirements for countries that your company sells medical devices to.
There shouldnít be any additions because ISO 13485 already requires compliance with applicable regulatory requirements.
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Old 9th December 2017, 12:47 PM
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Re: ISO 13485:2016 and MDSAP internal auditing

The applicable requirements for national/international regulatory authorities are (should) already be documented somewhere/somehow in the QMS and therefore no additional training is needed, except as new regulatory markets are entered and those requirements become audit criteria. A correctly trained should be able to audit bassed on any criteria anyway. The comment above concerning coordination of requirements between regulatory agencies is correctly how the MDSAP should be viewed. Don't make the QMS more complicated than necessary - of course KIS (last S left off as it was never needed).
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Old 11th December 2017, 03:28 PM
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KIS (last S left off as it was never needed).
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