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The ISO 9000 ecosystem - a clear(?) vision for the future of the ISO 9000 family
The ISO 9000 ecosystem - a clear(?) vision for the future of the ISO 9000 family
The ISO 9000 ecosystem - a clear(?) vision for the future of the ISO 9000 family
The ISO 9000 ecosystem - a clear(?) vision for the future of the ISO 9000 family
The ISO 9000 ecosystem - a clear(?) vision for the future of the ISO 9000 family
The ISO 9000 ecosystem - a clear(?) vision for the future of the ISO 9000 family
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Old 1st January 2018, 04:47 AM
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Question Re: The ISO 9000 ecosystem - a clear(?) vision for the future of the ISO 9000 family

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It all looks like ISOspeak gobbledygook to me. I especially enjoyed this bit:
I think the 2008 revision of ISO 9001 is evidence of this "latent power," which is the power to make insignificant changes in the face of "monumental challenges."
How do you see this now that it is 2018 and ISO 9001:2015 is the current standard which essentially added "Risk"?

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Old 4th January 2018, 10:11 AM
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Re: The ISO 9000 ecosystem - a clear(?) vision for the future of the ISO 9000 family

More confusing language for those trying to consider if they want to obtain ISO and join our "ecosystem"..
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Old 4th January 2018, 11:59 AM
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More confusing language for those trying to consider if they want to obtain ISO and join our "ecosystem".
If you are referring to the paper which triggered this thread, remember: it is almost 8 years old and the gentleman who wrote is long gone from the chairmanship position.

One paragraph that caught my attention when I re-read it, says:
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But much, much more is necessary to make the ecosystem viable – things like tools, case studies, white papers, standard implementation collateral, communication vehicles and feedback mechanisms -- all elements that sustain and invigorate the primary standards, make them more robust and easy to use, and propel them into new application domains, adapting as they go.
As we realize that such "collateral" documents would mean that fewer consultants, books and implementation services would be used by organizations deploying the standards, we know that such proposal would be DOA (dead on arrival), as the TC 176 is highly influenced by consultants, which means they would not vote for the development of material that would make their (paid) services less demanded.

But the actual proposal makes a lot of sense to me. Maybe this is one of the reasons this gentleman's chairmanship position did not last very long.
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Old 5th January 2018, 03:26 PM
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How do you see this now that it is 2018 and ISO 9001:2015 is the current standard which essentially added "Risk"?
I'm retired now, and frankly I haven't been paying too much attention to the 2015 revision. I did go over the draft when I was still working, though. I don't think anything has really changed.
Thank You to Jim Wynne for your informative Post and/or Attachment!
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