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Old 18th October 2016, 10:40 AM
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ANAB Heads Up 137 provides a bit more detail and may help to see where it came from.
In that Heads Up ANAB only uses the terms correction (not containment) and corrective action, but requires the CB to look for other instances of nonconformity that must also be corrected. You could imply that looking for other NCs is part of containment. ISO 17021 also only uses the terms correction and corrective action.

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Old 18th October 2016, 10:50 AM
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Re: ISO 9001 Containment Requirements

Thank you. As Big Jim said containment is good for my quality system. I am given enough chance to better my system and I give credit to my CB auditors.
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Old 18th October 2016, 06:58 PM
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In that Heads Up ANAB only uses the terms correction (not containment) and corrective action, but requires the CB to look for other instances of nonconformity that must also be corrected. You could imply that looking for other NCs is part of containment. ISO 17021 also only uses the terms correction and corrective action.
Heads up 137 comes very close to saying containment. As noted in the prior post:

" The extent of the nonconformity has been determined and contained"

The word containment has been bantered about within some CB for at least ten years. It is also used in some of the CB nonconformance forms.

I'm explaining what I have seen. If it of value, take advantage of it. If you see no value to using the concept, then don't use it unless it is on your CB's form.
Thank You to Big Jim for your informative Post and/or Attachment!
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Old 19th October 2016, 12:45 AM
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Re: ISO 9001 Containment Requirements

The word containment is explicitly mentioned in IATF 16949.
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Old 19th October 2016, 09:03 AM
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Heads up 137 comes very close to saying containment. As noted in the prior post:

" The extent of the nonconformity has been determined and contained"

The word containment has been bantered about within some CB for at least ten years. It is also used in some of the CB nonconformance forms.

I'm explaining what I have seen. If it of value, take advantage of it. If you see no value to using the concept, then don't use it unless it is on your CB's form.
I'm all for containment. I guess I'm just stuck on the semantics of the terms being used. I don't believe that correction includes containment as it's currently defined. I really believe that it's a separate activity that should be defined and used in the relevant standards instead of just being hinted at.
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Old 19th October 2016, 09:27 AM
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I'm all for containment. I guess I'm just stuck on the semantics of the terms being used. I don't believe that correction includes containment as it's currently defined. I really believe that it's a separate activity that should be defined and used in the relevant standards instead of just being hinted at.
I am also confused about this word-containment. But after the dialogue with Marc, yourself and Big Jim I think I am comfortable in facing this for IATF16949. There's a lot more "shalls" to think about.
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