Product Realization in 'Training' - 7.3 Design And Development Exemptions

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Kylie

Hi,

I am new to ISO 9001 but am working towards getting the small Registered Training Company that I work for certified. I am very confused as to what our product is. Is it the training itself?
And because we modify our training manuals from the training package.
Does that mean that we would be exempt from the following clauses.

7.3 Design And Development.
7.4.5 Verification of purchased product

and would product release and final inpsections apply to us?

Any help is greatly appreciated!
Kylie
 
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amit_rd

Re: Product Realisation - 7.3 Design And Development Exemptions

The answer to your first question is clearly given in clause 3.4.2 of ISO 9000 - Training is a product for you.

Clause 7.3 for Design & Development definitely applies to you - But the complexity of its implementation may be relatively less.

Similarly 7.4.5 will also apply in a very limited way.

Product release and final inspection is nothing but verification of training material and approval before delivering it - Now you may decide if it applies or not.

However ISO 9001 allows exclusion to clause 7 with justifications - It is always better to see in the business context as to why any clause should be excluded.

Hope it helps - Best of luck
 

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Re: Product Realisation - 7.3 Design And Development Exemptions

Hi,

I am new to ISO 9001 but am working towards getting the small Registered Training Company that I work for certified. I am very confused as to what our product is. Is it the training itself?
And because we modify our training manuals from the training package.
Does that mean that we would be exempt from the following clauses.

7.3 Design And Development.
7.4.5 Verification of purchased product

and would product release and final inpsections apply to us?

Any help is greatly appreciated!
Kylie
Welcome to The Cove, Kylie. We hope you find the answer to your questions here. As for your situation, it is unfortunate that someone admittedly without experience in ISO 9001 is "made responsible" for leading a training organization certified to ISO 9001.

I am glad you started with a fundamental question: what is your product? Without clearly understanding what your product is, one can not move forward with the identification of the business processes that impact customer satisfaction.

Yes, your product IS the training being provided. In order for that training to satisfy customer, MANY components have to work together. Some aspects of the service delivery are intangible, such as training facility comfort and ambiance, the instructor demeanor, the ease of enrolling in the class, etc. Other aspects of the training delivery are very tangible, such as the quality of the handouts and manuals, the food being served (if any), the ergonomic aspects of the furniture being used by attendees, etc. The training organization might have control and/or influence over these aspects. Left to chance, I am sure, many attendees will have negative experiences.

In my opinion, you as the training provider have full latitude to design how the service will be delivered, executed, etc. Just because service design is different from a (tangible hardware) product design, it should not be neglected. Some "adaptation" will be necessary for the service design, but it should not be ignored, much less excluded from your business processes.

As for product release, I am sure the training material must be reviewed and approved. Very likely, it will be revised from time to time. That is a form of product release. Also, shipping the material to the training facility should be preceded with some type of check to ensure that all the required material is being shipped. This is also product release verification.

As for "final inspection", some of us believe that training is one of those processes which can not be readily verified upon delivery, so it could be understood as a process that needs validation, including the instructor's qualification to deliver the course.

Good luck to you.
 

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vanputten

Re: Product Realisation in Training - 7.3 Design And Development Exemptions

What is the product of a school? Teaching? The vehicle to learning or the learning itself? I am not sure that the product is "training."

If you hire a trainer and they do the "training" but you don't learn anything, are you satisfied? What does the customer of a trainer really want?
 
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Kylie

Re: Product Realisation - 7.3 Design And Development Exemptions

Yes I have very limited experience and am learning as I go along but I will get there in the end. :) Thank you so much for taking the time to reply.
 
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amit_rd

Re: Product Realisation in Training - 7.3 Design And Development Exemptions

What is the product of a school? Teaching? The vehicle to learning or the learning itself? I am not sure that the product is "training."

If you hire a trainer and they do the "training" but you don't learn anything, are you satisfied? What does the customer of a trainer really want?
Sorry to say, your question itself is wrong! Is School a process?

If you buy a car which I am sure you consider as a product! And this car does not meet your expectations (as same as the example of training from you)....would you call that Car something different than a product? NO, you will call it a bad product. Same applies for training as a product.

In case of training there may be many requirements from the training program- This includes training effectiveness, one may utilize the different instruments available to measure training effectiveness.
 
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Kylie

Re: Product Realisation in Training - 7.3 Design And Development Exemptions

What is the product of a school? Teaching? The vehicle to learning or the learning itself? I am not sure that the product is "training."

If you hire a trainer and they do the "training" but you don't learn anything, are you satisfied? What does the customer of a trainer really want?

Thank for your reply. Its emergency response training.
 
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Mikishots

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Re: Product Realisation in Training - 7.3 Design And Development Exemptions

Hi,

I am new to ISO 9001 but am working towards getting the small Registered Training Company that I work for certified. I am very confused as to what our product is. Is it the training itself?
And because we modify our training manuals from the training package.
Does that mean that we would be exempt from the following clauses.

7.3 Design And Development.
7.4.5Verification of purchased product

and would product release and final inpsections apply to us?

Any help is greatly appreciated!
Kylie

Section 3 of ISO 9001:2008 states that wherever the term "product" occurs, it can also mean "service".

The acid test question to determine if you can claim an exemption of a clause in Section 7: if the exclusion does not affect the company's ability or responsibility to provide product (or service in your case) that meets customer and applicable statutory and regulatory requirements, then you're good. Keep in mind however, that any exclusions are not simply stated, they must be detailed and justified in the quality manual (see Clause 4.2.2. (b)).
 
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