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Old 26th August 2016, 04:50 PM
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Re: Potential Issues for Auditing ISO 9001:2015

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I thought about ditching my manual and almost did until I found out that my auditor is coming not only to audit to 2015 but also to 2008.
That is not the practice of all of the registrars. Some will come only to assess the transition, and the new system. There is no "fall back," only "move forward."

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Old 26th August 2016, 09:01 PM
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I thought about ditching my manual and almost did until I found out that my auditor is coming not only to audit to 2015 but also to 2008. The reasoning is because if we don't meet 2015 then we have 2008 to fall back on. They recommend keeping 2008 compliant as you transition so you don't risk not having compliance to anything. It's a very fine line to walk to have a QM that is somehow compliant to both standards, but I sure hope I accomplished that.
You might want to ditch this register...fast. A "fall back"? If your focus is 2015 there's no "fall back". This register doesn't know what they are talking about. Are they ANAB certified?
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Old 26th August 2016, 11:13 PM
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I thought about ditching my manual and almost did until I found out that my auditor is coming not only to audit to 2015 but also to 2008. The reasoning is because if we don't meet 2015 then we have 2008 to fall back on. They recommend keeping 2008 compliant as you transition so you don't risk not having compliance to anything. It's a very fine line to walk to have a QM that is somehow compliant to both standards, but I sure hope I accomplished that.
I don't know how that happens, but it should not happen. ISO 9001:2015 does not require a quality manual - period.

If you don't meet the requirements of 2015, then recommendation to certify to that standard cannot happen, but CBs are not permitted to recertify to 2008 so I don't know how that fallback principle works.
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Old 27th August 2016, 01:11 AM
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If you don't meet the requirements of 2015, then recommendation to certify to that standard cannot happen, but CBs are not permitted to recertify to 2008 so I don't know how that fallback principle works.
let's imagine the following scenario: A company was certified against ISO 9001:2008 in August 2015. They are undergoing their first annual surveillance audit in August 2016 and they elect to make this surveillance audit also their transition audit to ISO 9001:2015. What happens if they cannot demonstrate full compliance to the latest edition of ISO 9001, but their system still complies with ISO 9001:2008? What if they decide (after a failed attempt to transition) to wait another year?

In the past many CB representatives advised clients not to procrastinate the transition. Why should they be penalized if they attempt an early transition but failed to do so? Why should they lose their existing certificate?

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Old 27th August 2016, 03:58 AM
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If they decide to transition to 2015, the worst scenario is that they will get nonconformance which they will have to fix within a certain period of time. When we decide to go this route, we had a management review, internal audit, COTO, risk and internal and external interested parties and their requirements. We sustained minor non-conformance which were addressed and accepted by the auditor. Going forward to 2018, we only had to improve what we implemented for 2015. It is perfectly OK to have 2 recertification- to 2008 this year and come back in 2017 for upgrade to 2015. The client's wish has to be respected by the CB.
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Old 27th August 2016, 11:19 AM
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The client's wish has to be respected by the CB.
Don't forget that some clients have no clue about accreditation rules or what governs a register. It's NOT only what customers want to do. Rules apply.
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Old 27th August 2016, 03:21 PM
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Re: Potential Issues for Auditing ISO 9001:2015

How about respecting suppler client partnership?
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