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Old 9th March 2018, 08:26 AM
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Re: Risk Management (and Risk Based Thinking) in ISO 9001:2015

We did a simple SWOT (Strengths, Weaknesses, Opportunities and Threats) with QMS analysis for the business for 9001-2015 and worked off that for risk analysis and it was accepted by the auditor.

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Old 9th March 2018, 08:28 AM
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We did a simple SWOT analysis for the business for 9001-2015 and worked off that for risk analysis and it was accepted by the auditor.
Molly,

Did this SWOT analysis also help your business?

I do hope so.

John
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Old 9th March 2018, 09:27 AM
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We did a simple SWOT analysis for the business for 9001-2015 and worked off that for risk analysis and it was accepted by the auditor.
As John B suggests, was it useful to the management? Pleasing an external auditor isn't the goal.
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Old 9th March 2018, 01:45 PM
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We did the same as Molly and yes it helped the company as we addressed the risk afterward.
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Old 17th August 2018, 07:47 PM
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Jen
Questions regarding your format for risks:
1 what do you base on to decide the level of risks?
Do you use numerical information? Is qualitative or quantitative?
2 please explain your criteria regarding to when apply actions according to risk value.
3 Do you apply the residual risk practice?
4 what is your criteria to tge closeoupt of risks?
Thanks
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Old 18th August 2018, 08:57 AM
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Jen
Questions regarding your format for risks:
1 what do you base on to decide the level of risks?
Do you use numerical information? Is qualitative or quantitative?
2 please explain your criteria regarding to when apply actions according to risk value.
3 Do you apply the residual risk practice?
4 what is your criteria to tge closeoupt of risks?
Thanks
I would suggest you keep it simple... Low, Medium and High.... and finer resolution than that is really just a noisy guess... I mean, how do you really distinguish between a 4 or a 5?
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Old 18th August 2018, 12:39 PM
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Yes Helmut.
In fact that's the problem I have, because I use probability and impact, pxi=risk value.
But by using this method, and by using this way , is not so simple, because is very difficult to assign values to P and I, because as you say , then values between 4 and 5, or P and I, what happens with that?
In my case, in order to keep it simple, I will try to just rank risk in low med and high, not considering probability and impact.
Because if you want it simple, is not possible to use criteria like PxI, is what I've learned.
My plan is to give another risk approaching, more simple, and also because my business is not risky, I mean is not necessary to apply complex analysis.
My main concern is that P and I, values are very vague and not precise, so risk value is very imprecise.
, That's the reason to change, my approach.
If my analysis were quantitative, using real values in P and I, maybe I would keep it.
Please share your comments.
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Old 18th August 2018, 03:40 PM
Helmut Jilling

 
 
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Yes Helmut.
In fact that's the problem I have, because I use probability and impact, pxi=risk value.
But by using this method, and by using this way , is not so simple, because is very difficult to assign values to P and I, because as you say , then values between 4 and 5, or P and I, what happens with that?
In my case, in order to keep it simple, I will try to just rank risk in low med and high, not considering probability and impact.
Because if you want it simple, is not possible to use criteria like PxI, is what I've learned.
My plan is to give another risk approaching, more simple, and also because my business is not risky, I mean is not necessary to apply complex analysis.
My main concern is that P and I, values are very vague and not precise, so risk value is very imprecise.
, That's the reason to change, my approach.
If my analysis were quantitative, using real values in P and I, maybe I would keep it.
Please share your comments.
My recommendation was consider everything - severity, significance, probability, impact, likelihood, consequences - but just rank it as a conclusion of - low med and high. Don't try to apply statical analysis to it.... you will drive yourself crazy and still not come up with more precise results than what I described....
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