The Cove Business Standards Discussion Forums More Free Files Forum Discussion Thread Post Attachments Listing Cove Discussion Forums Main Page
Combining ISO 9001:2015 and IATF 16949:2016
UL - Underwriters Laboratories - Health Sciences
Combining ISO 9001:2015 and IATF 16949:2016
Combining ISO 9001:2015 and IATF 16949:2016
Combining ISO 9001:2015 and IATF 16949:2016
Combining ISO 9001:2015 and IATF 16949:2016
Combining ISO 9001:2015 and IATF 16949:2016
Combining ISO 9001:2015 and IATF 16949:2016
Combining ISO 9001:2015 and IATF 16949:2016
Combining ISO 9001:2015 and IATF 16949:2016
Combining ISO 9001:2015 and IATF 16949:2016
Go Back   The Elsmar Cove Business Systems and Standards Discussion Forums > >
Forum Username

Elsmar Cove Forum Visitor Notice(s)

Wooden Line

Combining ISO 9001:2015 and IATF 16949:2016


Elsmar XML RSS Feed
Elsmar Cove Forum RSS Feed

Monitor the Elsmar Forum
Sponsor Links




Courtesy Quick Links


Links Elsmar Cove visitors will find useful in the quest for knowledge and support:

Jennifer Kirley's
Conway Business Services


Howard's
International Quality Services


Marcelo Antunes'
SQR Consulting, and
Medical Devices Expert Forum


Bob Doering
Bob Doering's Blogs and,
Correct SPC - Precision Machining


Ajit Basrur
Claritas Consulting, LLC



International Standards Bodies - World Wide Standards Bodies

ASQ - American Society for Quality

International Organization for Standardization - ISO Standards and Information

NIST's Engineering Statistics Handbook

IRCA - International Register of Certified Auditors

SAE - Society of Automotive Engineers

Quality Digest

IEST - Institute of Environmental Sciences and Technology


Some Related Topic Tags
compliance to a standard, iatf 16949:2016, integrated management systems, iso 9001:2015
Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Rate Thread Content Display Modes
  Post Number #1  
Old 29th August 2017, 12:01 PM
Golfman25

 
 
Total Posts: 902
Please Help! Combining ISO 9001:2015 and IATF 16949:2016

So we are reworking out QMS to comply with the updated versions of the standards. We have been TS/QS for 12-15 years or so. Based on recent changes to both the standard and our customer base, we are dropping down to ISO 9001. But we will still have a good automotive presence (We went from 50% auto to 20% auto simply because auto no longer considers off road as applicable). So there still we be a push from our customers to go IATF, but we'll wait until things settle in a bit. As such, there is still the expectation that we be "compliant."

So as we revise our new system towards the new requirements we will include bits and pieces of IATF. Some may be immediately applicable, so may be for future implementation. For example, IATF requires customer specific requirements to be included in the scope. Or it requires Total Productive Maintenance. Or soupped up auditor training. Etc.

My question is, as we go for an ISO 9001 cert, will auditors consider the IATF requirements we have built into our system, but not yet implemented? Or would this trigger a bunch of non-conformances?

Sponsored Links
  Post Number #2  
Old 29th August 2017, 12:54 PM
Sidney Vianna's Avatar
Sidney Vianna

 
 
Total Posts: 8,889
Re: Combining ISO 9001:2015 and IATF 16949:2016

Quote:
In Reply to Parent Post by Golfman25 View Post

My question is, as we go for an ISO 9001 cert, will auditors consider the IATF requirements we have built into our system, but not yet implemented? Or would this trigger a bunch of non-conformances?
As someone who's had a chance to audit hundreds of organizations against ISO 9001, I can tell you that I've NEVER audited an organization which did not go above and beyond the minimum requirements of the standard. When you are defining the processes that support your QMS, according to ISO 9001:2015, 4.4.1.c), you must determine and apply the criteria and methods....that means, you have to define the processes as they are supposed to run. If the process includes bits and pieces of the IATF 16949:2016 requirements, so be it. But it is your organization's QMS process and you will be audited against your own set of requirements, irrespective of the source.

As for effectivity date of requirements, you obviously have latitude to enforce them at a later date, provided no customer requirement is being violated.
Thanks to Sidney Vianna for your informative Post and/or Attachment!
Sponsored Links

  Post Number #3  
Old 1st September 2017, 08:48 PM
Golfman25

 
 
Total Posts: 902
Re: Combining ISO 9001:2015 and IATF 16949:2016

Quote:
In Reply to Parent Post by Sidney Vianna View Post

As someone who's had a chance to audit hundreds of organizations against ISO 9001, I can tell you that I've NEVER audited an organization which did not go above and beyond the minimum requirements of the standard. When you are defining the processes that support your QMS, according to ISO 9001:2015, 4.4.1.c), you must determine and apply the criteria and methods....that means, you have to define the processes as they are supposed to run. If the process includes bits and pieces of the IATF 16949:2016 requirements, so be it. But it is your organization's QMS process and you will be audited against your own set of requirements, irrespective of the source.

As for effectivity date of requirements, you obviously have latitude to enforce them at a later date, provided no customer requirement is being violated.
So IATF requires things like a lab scope and control plans according to annex a (and the aiag reference manual). Would an ISO auditor be "competent" to audit those and similar documents?
  Post Number #4  
Old 1st September 2017, 09:36 PM
Sidney Vianna's Avatar
Sidney Vianna

 
 
Total Posts: 8,889
Re: Combining ISO 9001:2015 and IATF 16949:2016

Remember, it is not the IATF requiring it. It is your system. And, yes, the auditor will be deemed fully competent.
Reply

Lower Navigation Bar
Go Back   The Elsmar Cove Business Systems and Standards Discussion Forums > >

Bookmarks



Visitors Currently Viewing this Thread: 1 (0 Registered Visitors (Members) and 1 Unregistered Guest Visitors)
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Forum Search
Display Modes Rate Thread Content
Rate Thread Content:

Forum Posting Settings
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Emoticons are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off


Similar Discussion Threads
Discussion Thread Title Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post or Poll Vote
ISO9001:2015 & IATF 16949:2016 Gap Analysis Tool Icy Mountain IATF 16949 - Automotive Quality Systems Standard 3 25th August 2017 05:02 PM
Top Executive Management ISO 9001:2015 and IATF 16949 Overview KIDDO IATF 16949 - Automotive Quality Systems Standard 3 4th May 2017 03:47 PM
Differences between IATF 16949:2016 vs ISO/TS 16949:2009 Chaithanyia IATF 16949 - Automotive Quality Systems Standard 13 11th March 2017 06:08 AM
PDF Copy of IATF 16949:2016 Chaucer2468 IATF 16949 - Automotive Quality Systems Standard 1 26th January 2017 01:28 PM
ISO/TS16949 (to become IATF 16949:2016) alignment to ISO 9001:2015 Filip M. IATF 16949 - Automotive Quality Systems Standard 78 10th January 2017 05:37 PM



The time now is 02:54 PM. All times are GMT -4.
Your time zone can be changed in your UserCP --> Options.


 
 
 


NOTE: This forum uses "Cookies"