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ISO 9001:2015 4.2 and 6.1 - Interested Parties - How much detail is required?
ISO 9001:2015 4.2 and 6.1 - Interested Parties - How much detail is required?
ISO 9001:2015 4.2 and 6.1 - Interested Parties - How much detail is required?
ISO 9001:2015 4.2 and 6.1 - Interested Parties - How much detail is required?
ISO 9001:2015 4.2 and 6.1 - Interested Parties - How much detail is required?
ISO 9001:2015 4.2 and 6.1 - Interested Parties - How much detail is required?
ISO 9001:2015 4.2 and 6.1 - Interested Parties - How much detail is required?
ISO 9001:2015 4.2 and 6.1 - Interested Parties - How much detail is required?
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Old 6th September 2017, 12:00 PM
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Re: ISO 9001:2015 4.2 and 6.1 - Interested Parties - How much detail is required?

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You had a misguided or overbearing auditor.
Please clarify. Are you referring to my statement?

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Old 7th September 2017, 01:04 AM
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No. Not really. We had to specifically identify our interested parties, that was not done. But in terms of risk assessment, we had plenty in place already so it was a matter of re-education to make sure everyone understood how their activities were related to risk mitigation.

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Your auditor is asking for more than the standard requires. In that way I think he is either misguided or he is overbearing.
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Old 7th September 2017, 03:37 AM
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Re: ISO 9001:2015 4.2 and 6.1 - Interested Parties - How much detail is required?

I had one of those.....wanted me to do all sorts of things that are not listed in the standard. Hence my original question!
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Old 7th September 2017, 06:09 AM
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Re: ISO 9001:2015 4.2 and 6.1 - Interested Parties - How much detail is required?

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Your auditor is asking for more than the standard requires. In that way I think he is either misguided or he is overbearing.
I do not know where you are getting that idea from. I didn't even mention my auditor or anything about our audit. Perhaps you misunderstood what I wrote, but I'm not sure what.

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Old 7th September 2017, 06:34 AM
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Re: ISO 9001:2015 4.2 and 6.1 - Interested Parties - How much detail is required?

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No. Not really. We had to specifically identify our interested parties, that was not done. But in terms of risk assessment, we had plenty in place already so it was a matter of re-education to make sure everyone understood how their activities were related to risk mitigation.

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The statement written above implies that an outside sourced identified weakness (it reads as if an auditor found issues and ask you to resolved it or add to it).

If it was done by a consultant hmmm, if it was done by an auditor - overreaching.

I agree with BIG JIM conclusion - it was the way it was written - no entity was specified as to how you came to that conclusion of adding interested parties.

but thanks for the clarification if it was done internally.
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Old 7th September 2017, 06:48 AM
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Re: ISO 9001:2015 4.2 and 6.1 - Interested Parties - How much detail is required?

Well, sorry if you got that impression but that is not the case. The standard requires that interested parties be identified and so we did that. Our auditor had nothing to do with it.

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Old 7th September 2017, 10:07 AM
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Re: ISO 9001:2015 4.2 and 6.1 - Interested Parties - How much detail is required?

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No. Not really. We had to specifically identify our interested parties, that was not done. But in terms of risk assessment, we had plenty in place already so it was a matter of re-education to make sure everyone understood how their activities were related to risk mitigation.

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Sorry that I assumed that an auditor had compelled you you create a list of your interested parties.
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Old 7th September 2017, 07:35 PM
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Re: ISO 9001:2015 4.2 and 6.1 - Interested Parties - How much detail is required?

Well, you can tell from my post earlier that I am opposed to doing anything "extra" just to meet the standard. But...the 2015 standard does require that you identify interested parties. So whether we did it on our own (which we did) or a consultant or auditor told us it had to be done, it still had to be done. So it would not have been questionable or overreaching coming from either source. If you can't identify your interested parties, you do not meet the requirements of the 2015 standard. That's just a fact.

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