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ISO 9001:2015 - Clarification in 6.1.2 Note 1 (Options to Address Risks)
ISO 9001:2015 - Clarification in 6.1.2 Note 1 (Options to Address Risks)
ISO 9001:2015 - Clarification in 6.1.2 Note 1 (Options to Address Risks)
ISO 9001:2015 - Clarification in 6.1.2 Note 1 (Options to Address Risks)
ISO 9001:2015 - Clarification in 6.1.2 Note 1 (Options to Address Risks)
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Old 8th September 2017, 12:34 PM
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Thank You! ISO 9001:2015 - Clarification in 6.1.2 Note 1 (Options to Address Risks)

Hi everybody

In the task of addressing risks, I have the next doubt, could you clarify it?

NOTE 1 Options to address risks can include avoiding risk, taking risk in order to pursue an opportunity, eliminating the risk source, changing the likelihood or consequences, sharing the risk, or retaining risk by informed decision.

In 6.1.2, Note 1, taking risk in order to pursue an opportunity is not the same as retaining risk by informed decision?

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Old 10th September 2017, 04:01 PM
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Re: ISO 9001:2015 - Clarification in 6.1.2 Note 1 (Options to Address Risks)

Can you rephrase your concern or question?

It looks like you are mixing process risks with venture risks - two different subjects.
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Old 17th September 2017, 11:55 PM
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Re: ISO 9001:2015 - Clarification in 6.1.2 Note 1 (Options to Address Risks)

Thanks Dsanabria

Well, the doubt really it is, what it means "by informed decision?
and the other question is:

In any possible decisions, do all of them will need a mitigation plan?

I mean, mitigation means to lower the risk value? but in the case of avoiding it,
it is like risk wont be taken, is it a mitigation too?
Please explain how to apply mitigation considering note 1?
NOTE 1 Options to address risks can include avoiding risk, taking risk in order to pursue an opportunity, eliminating the risk source, changing the likelihood or consequences, sharing the risk, or retaining risk by informed decision.
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Old 18th September 2017, 12:17 AM
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Re: ISO 9001:2015 - Clarification in 6.1.2 Note 1 (Options to Address Risks)

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In Reply to Parent Post by QAMTY View Post

<snip> what it means "by informed decision?
and the other question is:

In any possible decisions, do all of them will need a mitigation plan? <snip>
1. Informed decision: Someone who is knowledgable in the discipline(s) has at least thought about, and possibly documented, potential issues. The key word is "informed" (aka qualified to do so).

2. This has been discussed here many times. Recently it was discussed with respect to disaster plans. A company can never have a mitigation plan for every potential disaster.

Also see: Mitigation Plan - Bing Search
and Risk Based Thinking - Chennaiite's Blog
and Records Destroyed - Hurricane Harvey has likely destroyed our Quality Systems Records
Thanks to Marc for your informative Post and/or Attachment!
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Old 18th September 2017, 09:50 AM
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Re: ISO 9001:2015 - Clarification in 6.1.2 Note 1 (Options to Address Risks)

Thanks Mark for your clarification

As you say "Someone who is knowledgable", but in these cases:
changing the likelihood or consequences, sharing the risk, or retaining risk by informed decision, I think in all of them, always participate knowledgable people, then, why the standard only mention this in "retaining"?
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Old 18th September 2017, 10:38 AM
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Re: ISO 9001:2015 - Clarification in 6.1.2 Note 1 (Options to Address Risks)

Marc

According to the link you shared, "Chennaiite's Blog" from into it,I copied a portion of it,

"thereby sharing your Risk of missing the flight with the Driver; The Driver keeps informed of his Employer about the Risk of losing taxi charge and the Employer decides to bear it on a good-will; You start-off from the place after ten minutes when the Driver is back;

From this, it seems that Informed decisions, meant agreements with someone to do something
What do you think?

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Old 18th September 2017, 11:01 AM
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Re: ISO 9001:2015 - Clarification in 6.1.2 Note 1 (Options to Address Risks)

Well, how about:

1. Informed decision: Someone who is knowledgable in the discipline(s) has at least thought about, and possibly documented, potential issues. The key word is "informed" (aka qualified to do so and is aware of related facts and information).

Someone else here may be able to give you a clearer definition.
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