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Is ISO 9001 fully enough to manage a business?
Is ISO 9001 fully enough to manage a business?
Is ISO 9001 fully enough to manage a business?
Is ISO 9001 fully enough to manage a business?
Is ISO 9001 fully enough to manage a business?
Is ISO 9001 fully enough to manage a business?
Is ISO 9001 fully enough to manage a business?
Is ISO 9001 fully enough to manage a business?
Is ISO 9001 fully enough to manage a business?
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Old 19th September 2017, 11:41 PM
QAMTY

 
 
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Question Is ISO 9001 fully enough to manage a business?

Hi everybody

In managing a business, in your experience:

Do you think that adopting the 9001 standard to manage a business would it make it profitable and successful a company?

we know 9001 is focused in quality for products an services, but doesnt give direction as how to manage a business in the aspects to make it profitable, healthy finances,etc.

In fact, the Finance issues are not an important part in this standard.

What methods or practice should we follow to manage a business for that purpose? or is it enough with ISO, by complying with the current clauses?

Please share your thoughts.

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Old 20th September 2017, 03:29 AM
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Re: Is ISO 9001 fully enough to manage a business?

A good and effective progressive business will thrive more certainly with the ISO 9001...
A bad and sinking business will sink more certainly with the ISO 9001...
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Old 20th September 2017, 07:46 AM
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Re: Is ISO 9001 fully enough to manage a business?

No. Just following the standard will get you nowhere. Best thing to do is use your common sense and run your business. That will cover 80% of ISO.
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Old 20th September 2017, 09:49 AM
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Re: Is ISO 9001 fully enough to manage a business?

Thanks Golfman25

But I have seen that some directors, do a full a complete strategy by using special analysis supported by tools and define with Objectives the business driving into ISO.
Also have several kpis to revise at certain times the planned way.into it also
manage the profits of the business,the cash flow,etc.

Obviously, additionally they consider what is around the business, the quality of the products and services.

While there are other type of management, the QMS is managed separated of the economical aspect.

They try to comply with the QMS, define general kpis pass audits and thatīs all.
But in other side , they manage the economical aspect of the business, in fact they make financial analysis, follow-up to profits, sales forecasting,etc.

So they manage both issues separately.

In your experience, how convenient is to include the total management into 9001?
Is there a special reason to manage it separately?

Please give your point of view
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Old 20th September 2017, 11:28 AM
normzone

 
 
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Re: Is ISO 9001 fully enough to manage a business?

I've had a president who could see the company was headed downhill ask me if I could use ISO 9001 to drive sales.

I had to tell him that if he put documented processes in place to do what he wanted to have happen, I could audit those processes and verify their effective application. But that there was nothing in the standard about compelling effective salesmanship and quotas, only about ensuring that customer requirements were determined and met.
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Old 20th September 2017, 07:07 PM
Mark Meer

 
 
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Re: Is ISO 9001 fully enough to manage a business?

Distinguish between a certified system versus just adopting the principles.

Implementing a full-on certified system can be costly, and comes with a lot of overhead and maintenance, so might not give you any overall benefits if the company is running relatively smoothly to begin with.

Adopting the principles, however, and applying them to whatever processes you think could be improved is, in my opinion, a good idea. Establish some measurable objectives (these can be sales/financial related, efficiency related, whatever...), and controlled processes that have outputs for which you can gather data to gauge progress towards those objectives.

Objectives, controlled processes, and review of data allows you to monitor progress, identify areas for improvement, and tweak the controls to move you in the direction you want to go.
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Old 20th September 2017, 08:11 PM
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Re: Is ISO 9001 fully enough to manage a business?

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Thanks Golfman25

But I have seen that some directors, do a full a complete strategy by using special analysis supported by tools and define with Objectives the business driving into ISO.
Also have several kpis to revise at certain times the planned way.into it also
manage the profits of the business,the cash flow,etc.

Obviously, additionally they consider what is around the business, the quality of the products and services.

While there are other type of management, the QMS is managed separated of the economical aspect.

They try to comply with the QMS, define general kpis pass audits and thatīs all.
But in other side , they manage the economical aspect of the business, in fact they make financial analysis, follow-up to profits, sales forecasting,etc.

So they manage both issues separately.

In your experience, how convenient is to include the total management into 9001?
Is there a special reason to manage it separately?

Please give your point of view
Ideally there is seemless transition between your daily business management and ISO requirements. ISO should run in the background. Ideally you wouldn't even notice it.
Thank You to Golfman25 for your informative Post and/or Attachment!
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Old 20th September 2017, 09:36 PM
QAMTY

 
 
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Re: Is ISO 9001 fully enough to manage a business?

Thanks, But I wonder where into the standard we can find elments to apply to economical aspects?
I think it could be possible using external practices, But implemented into iso, Is that what you meant?
Thanks
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