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Is Cycle Time different between Parallel Machines and Single?
Is Cycle Time different between Parallel Machines and Single?
Is Cycle Time different between Parallel Machines and Single?
Is Cycle Time different between Parallel Machines and Single?
Is Cycle Time different between Parallel Machines and Single?
Is Cycle Time different between Parallel Machines and Single?
Is Cycle Time different between Parallel Machines and Single?
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Old 4th November 2010, 10:52 PM
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Please Help! Is Cycle Time different between Parallel Machines and Single?

I am very confused that the cycle time when mapping VSM, does the cycle time is the same between parallel machines and single machine? for example, rough tunning for forging is 60s in one machine and for one piece, the cycle time is 60s, but now there are 10 rough turnning machines paralle turnning 10 forgings, the throughput is 10pcs in 60s, does it mean the cycle time is 6s? the cycle time definition in VSM is the time between two finished products. could anyone explain it to me, thanks very much!

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Old 4th November 2010, 11:38 PM
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Re: Is cycle time different between parallel machines and single?

Good day,

In business management we are often asked for overall process measurements. For the purposes of reporting to management it's realistic to provide an average performance metric among all tools of the same type, but we must understand the purpose of the metric. The purpose is to form a comparison between the present and what we strive to achieve.

While the cycle time metric is often expressed as a process measurement of "time end minus time begin," it may prove useful to take this measurement at each tool if one suspects tools may vary in performance. How else could we identify where, when, how and why the problem is occurring?

In short, measure at the local (immediate) level and report at the macro (overall) level.

I hope this helps!
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Old 5th November 2010, 01:24 AM
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Re: Is cycle time different between parallel machines and single?

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I am very confused that the cycle time when mapping VSM, does the cycle time is the same between parallel machines and single machine? for example, rough tunning for forging is 60s in one machine and for one piece, the cycle time is 60s, but now there are 10 rough turnning machines paralle turnning 10 forgings, the throughput is 10pcs in 60s, does it mean the cycle time is 6s? the cycle time definition in VSM is the time between two finished products. could anyone explain it to me, thanks very much!
The cycle time best fits for an article in a defined process. How you handle a batch production of that article depends upon your resources and quantity required to be produced. Perhaps that becomes the throughput time for that batch.
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Old 5th November 2010, 01:53 AM
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Question Re: Is cycle time different between parallel machines and single?

Still can not know the exact answer.Can anyone let me know clearly how to fill the cycle time when meet these two situation? Is the same cycle time regardless how many machines or operators do the same operation?
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Old 5th November 2010, 10:40 AM
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Re: Is Cycle Time different between Parallel Machines and Single?

The answer is yes.
Cycle time will not change unless you improve the process whether you have 1machine or 20.

Throughput would be the metric associated with additional equipment.
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Old 6th November 2010, 05:46 PM
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Re: Is cycle time different between parallel machines and single?

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Still can not know the exact answer.Can anyone let me know clearly how to fill the cycle time when meet these two situation? Is the same cycle time regardless how many machines or operators do the same operation?
It is easy to confuse process cycle time with machine cycle time. Both can be measured, but both are done separately.

We measure individual machine time to understand the machine's process time. This enables us to make and understand improvements that are specific to the machine. This is reported to lower levels so best practices can be applied to other machines. It is a result measurement. It is a micro measurement of tasks and strategy.

The machines (all together) contribute to a process cycle time that is reported to management in whatever defined form. This is a measure of total outcomes in the process. It is a macro measurement, a means to communicate overall program success against objectives.

I hope this helps!
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Old 7th November 2010, 12:28 PM
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Re: Is Cycle Time different between Parallel Machines and Single?

The question is what do I enter into the VSM data entry point of my program right?
I have a web link to such a process. @
http://www.gemba.com/uploadedFiles/Lean%20VSM%20Diagrams%20Quick%20Reference%20Guide.pdf
It indicates the need to enter C/T and C/O times, which are per person/per machine
C/T cycle time part to part
C/O change over to another process time
The value is an average value if you have 10 people/machines doing 10 parts as described on an earlier post.
(This means you could time each machine seperately and get the average time for 1 part. 60 seconds)
This all leads back to your question, of what do I enter into the VSM system.
You should enter the time each part takes to be made.
Then enter the number of machines/people to get a process throughput somewhere else in the data entry form.
So enter 60 sec. For C/T time. The VSM program is likely to ask how many people/machines at this step.
The time does not change for 1 or 1000 machines in this/your VSM analysis program. (maybe +/- 2 seconds)
The above comments were all valid, but did not quite respond to your specific question of what do I enter into the C/T entry box.
==== If you are not using the VSM program as I thought, then C/T is still defined as single part time in the VSM process =========
looking for comment...........................

Last edited by George Weiss; 7th November 2010 at 12:58 PM.
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Old 7th November 2010, 09:03 PM
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Re: Is Cycle Time different between Parallel Machines and Single?

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The question is what do I enter into the VSM data entry point of my program right?
I have a web link to such a process. @
http://www.gemba.com/uploadedFiles/Lean%20VSM%20Diagrams%20Quick%20Reference%20Guide.pdf
It indicates the need to enter C/T and C/O times, which are per person/per machine
C/T cycle time part to part
C/O change over to another process time
The value is an average value if you have 10 people/machines doing 10 parts as described on an earlier post.
(This means you could time each machine seperately and get the average time for 1 part. 60 seconds)
This all leads back to your question, of what do I enter into the VSM system.
You should enter the time each part takes to be made.
Then enter the number of machines/people to get a process throughput somewhere else in the data entry form.
So enter 60 sec. For C/T time. The VSM program is likely to ask how many people/machines at this step.
The time does not change for 1 or 1000 machines in this/your VSM analysis program. (maybe +/- 2 seconds)
The above comments were all valid, but did not quite respond to your specific question of what do I enter into the C/T entry box.
==== If you are not using the VSM program as I thought, then C/T is still defined as single part time in the VSM process =========
looking for comment...........................
Hi george1weiss,
Many thanks for your deteailed explanation!
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