TS 16949 vs. QS-9000 Cross Reference Matrix

[M Greenaway]

TS v QS Cross Reference

Has anyone got a cross reference list of the final draft TS16949:2002 requirements to QS9000 requirements.

If so could I blag a copy please ?

 

[Marc]

I haven't seen one yet. I'd like to see one as well.

 

[Gayle215]

I'm just getting into all of this and my question is this...our company supplies to the Big 3. We currently have ISO9001:1994 with QS900:1998 certification. As a Tier 2 supplier we're being required to have TS16949.
My question is what cancels out what? Do I need TS16949, ISO14001, QS9000 and ISO9001:2000?
I don't want to create policies and procedures for all of these if I don't have to.

Thanks for any help you can give.

 

[Al Dyer]

Gayle,

Who said you have to be TS????????

Al...

 

[Gayle215]

We're Tier II to Visteon and they require TS16949.

Gayle215

 

[Marc]

For automotive, going from QS to TS will not be a requirements issue. As far as I know, nothing 'cancels out' so to speak. Technically TS requires a bit less than QS. However, any requirements not stated in TS will be addressed by customer specific requirements. As I sit here looking at the 14 September 2001 Draft, it looks just like QS-9000 rearranged. Most of the requirements are the same but the bottom line is there really aren't any significant new requirements. There are 7.1.5.7 Feedback of Information from Service and 7.1.5.8 Servicing Agreement with Customer - but you should be doing these anyway if you're doing service.

Have you read through the 'latest' TS 16949?

Also see http://Elsmar.com/Forums/showthread.php?t=2806

 

[Sporty]

A big change from QS to TS is the lab requirements and the auditing requirements.
You have to upgrade your lab to ISO17025, which was the biggest change in our upgrade here from QS to TS.

Also, we needed to address the audit requirements to include the process audits, system audit and product audits. (we had alot in place already, just needed to "beef" it up). We actually had to create a new position of process auditor.

Now I'm going through my change from TS16949:1999 to TS16949:2002.....

 

[Gayle215]

I just received the IS0/TS 16949 2nd edition Technical Specification Requirements for the application of ISO9001:2000and the ANSI/ASQ Q9000-2000 standards. . My confusion is whether ISO/TS16949 is separate or the same as ISO9001:2000.

I'll be reading both manuals in the next days.

 

[Marc]

Originally posted by Sporty

You have to upgrade your lab to ISO17025, which was the biggest change in our upgrade here from QS to TS.

Registration is not required per 7.6.3 of the 2001 version (see the Note), but I agree your lab has to be 'tight'.

Also, we needed to address the audit requirements to include the process audits, system audit and product audits. (we had alot in place already, just needed to "beef" it up). We actually had to create a new position of process auditor.

Wow! A new position! I haven't seen these as an issue in the past because dock audits (product audits) were required in the 1998 version of QS and clients I have had did a combination of compliance and process audits in their interanl audit rounds. I may be missing something here.

 

[Marc]

Originally posted by Gayle215

I just received the IS0/TS 16949 2nd edition Technical Specification Requirements for the application of ISO9001:2000 and the ANSI/ASQ Q9000-2000 standards.

What is this and where did you get it? As far as I know the 2nd edition of TS 16949 has not been officially released yet.

My confusion is whether ISO/TS16949 is separate or the same as ISO9001:2000.

TS 16949 Second Edition Draft from 2001-09-14 is the same as ISO 9001:2000 with additional requirements.