One division of a company with ISO 9001?

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Robrigo

Hey there, rather simple question.:)rolleyes:maybe)

But I would like to know if it's possible to have only a sales/purchasing department with ISO 9001 to satisfy a customer requirement for accredited suppliers. (while still being part of the same company, without being a subsidiary)

I ask this because it's completely unfeasable to implement to the entire company (agile setup), and that currently trade between the company and the customer has to go through another company, who simply purchases and adds on ~20% while having ISO9001.

Ideally, I would like to keep the ISO9001 purchase/sales part of the company under the same roof for TAX etc. But if I can't I'll simply create my own middle company to satisfy customer needs.

Would just like to know if anyone has encountered or considered this.

Thanks for any replies
 

sagai

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Yes, you can shrink the scope of the audit especially to division and also for certain activities and products/services.
In this case, the certificate will include this information.
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Robrigo

Thanks for the quick reply.

Seemed from my point of view that it had to be more seperate.

Have read some posts about only partially doing iso 9001, and majority recommending against it.

We don't want ISO9001, but we are working towards a our own set standard of quality management. However, some companies limit their scope of supplier to ISO only.

Divisional ISO seems the best solution at the moment, and given the confirmation I was looking for, will look about implementing it.

Thanks again.
 

AndyN

Moved On
Hey there, rather simple question.:)rolleyes:maybe)

But I would like to know if it's possible to have only a sales/purchasing department with ISO 9001 to satisfy a customer requirement for accredited suppliers. (while still being part of the same company, without being a subsidiary)

I ask this because it's completely unfeasable to implement to the entire company (agile setup), and that currently trade between the company and the customer has to go through another company, who simply purchases and adds on ~20% while having ISO9001.

Ideally, I would like to keep the ISO9001 purchase/sales part of the company under the same roof for TAX etc. But if I can't I'll simply create my own middle company to satisfy customer needs.

Would just like to know if anyone has encountered or considered this.

Thanks for any replies

You may be able to get a certificate - there's always a CB who will take your money - but to actually construct an entire ISO 9001 compliant system just for one department is (unless it's a significant headcount) is a practical improbability! Why do you think it's not feasible to implement a system across the whole organization? Why would it affect agility?
You may wish to revisit what a QMS is about so that its use can be better understood...
 
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Robrigo

simple things such as not performing maintenance actions without an order number are not technically allowed, but are performed

simplistically put, it's a box to tick for the senior management of our client so we can do business, while saving them money (circumventing the buyer/seller company).

like I said, we're currently putting our own quality system in place, and if it'll pass the criteria in the future then we'll happily expand iso9001, but short term to satisfy our customer we're focusing on the contact point.
 
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JaneB

simple things such as not performing maintenance actions without an order number are not technically allowed, but are performed
:confused: As a reason not to implement the system across the company, this s one of the more peculiar I've ever heard of. There is zilch in the Standard that forbids this - sounds like a typical mistake of a company supposedly setting up internal rules but then ignoring them or not following them when convenient. Infinitrly better to set up a sensible, sound, workable and functioning system! And then following it. Which is what ISO 9001 is about.

simplistically put, it's a box to tick for the senior management of our client so we can do business, while saving them money (circumventing the buyer/seller company).
Uh huh. Well, no doubt there'll be someone willing to take the money and tick your box. Hardly meeting the spirit of the requirement of course, but that's an ethical question that doesn't sound like it's on the radar. Alas.

But If I were your customer and found out what was being done, I'd transfer my business elsewhere to someone who actually 'gets it'.
 
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shyamyeduru

Hey there, rather simple question.:)rolleyes:maybe)

But I would like to know if it's possible to have only a sales/purchasing department with ISO 9001 to satisfy a customer requirement for accredited suppliers. (while still being part of the same company, without being a subsidiary)

I ask this because it's completely unfeasable to implement to the entire company (agile setup), and that currently trade between the company and the customer has to go through another company, who simply purchases and adds on ~20% while having ISO9001.

Ideally, I would like to keep the ISO9001 purchase/sales part of the company under the same roof for TAX etc. But if I can't I'll simply create my own middle company to satisfy customer needs.

Would just like to know if anyone has encountered or considered this.

Thanks for any replies
Hi
That sound good but you may not be able to get the certificate of ISO. That may be in an incomplete mode of ISMS. What i suggest is , Hire a ISMS or ITIL Chap, who can understand and implement the process at your organisation and later apply for external audit and then I guess your problem may be solved.
 

harry

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Hi
That sound good but you may not be able to get the certificate of ISO. That may be in an incomplete mode of ISMS. What i suggest is , Hire a ISMS or ITIL Chap, who can understand and implement the process at your organisation and later apply for external audit and then I guess your problem may be solved.

Welcome to the Cove.

Doesn't the title, its location in the ISO 9001 forum and the text of the original post indicate that the discussion is about ISO 9001?
 
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