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What is the difference between a 7D format and an 8D format?
What is the difference between a 7D format and an 8D format?
What is the difference between a 7D format and an 8D format?
What is the difference between a 7D format and an 8D format?
What is the difference between a 7D format and an 8D format?
What is the difference between a 7D format and an 8D format?
What is the difference between a 7D format and an 8D format?
What is the difference between a 7D format and an 8D format?
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Old 14th February 2007, 12:15 PM
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Question What is the difference between a 7D format and an 8D format?

What is the difference between a 7D format and an 8D format? Or is there such a thing as a 7 D format? Thanks in advance.

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Old 14th February 2007, 12:19 PM
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Re: 7 D Format

7-d you do not congradulate the team as you do in the 8-d last step.
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Old 14th February 2007, 12:33 PM
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Re: 7 D Format

8D is an established problem solving tool that Ford coined (from existing problem solving methodology!). Basically just the 8 steps I am sure you are aware of.......not ever heard of 7D and I can't say it would be that useful!

All the steps in an 8D incorporate the established PDCA cycle, with reviews and interim plans to contain the issue.

I often find that "Interim Containment Action" is not always comprehensively used, as most faults we encounter can either not be fixed and scrapped! OR can be used under concession, therefore this could be considered an 7D. Maybe someone has incorporated two steps into one. I think the format is fine as it is!

I would not reccomend avoiding any steps in the 8D especially if it is for FORD!
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Old 14th February 2007, 07:59 PM
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Re: What is the difference between a 7D format and an 8D format?

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What is the difference between a 7D format and an 8D format? Or is there such a thing as a & D format? Thanks in advance.

As Cheryl said, the "7D" format drops the 8th step - it leaves congratulating the team off. It was the modified 8D form that Chrysler preferred some years back.

PS: The 5 step GM form is similar as well. It combines several of the action steps into one field.
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Old 21st February 2007, 09:08 PM
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Re: What is the difference between a 7D format and an 8D format?

Chrysler recently changed to the 8D. Step 8 of the new format is to document lessons learned.
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Old 22nd February 2007, 03:27 AM
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Re: What is the difference between a 7D format and an 8D format?

This reminds me of an occurance during a QS9000 (Yes, this was back a few years) audit.

We were reviewing customer specific requirements, and Chrysler was one of our accounts. The auditor asked to see our records for evidence of corrective actions.

Our format was 7D, and of course, Chrysler required the 8D format. As the auditor was reading through the corrective action reports the Plant Manager walked into the room.

After a few minutes of reading through the reports, the auditor looked at me and dryly commented, "I see that you only do the 7D format. Don't you congratulate the team?"

Without missing a beat, the Plant Manager responded, "Oh yes! We give them their salary every Friday!"

I thought it was funny. The auditor did not. It was a nonconformance.
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Old 23rd February 2007, 07:37 PM
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Re: What is the difference between a 7D format and an 8D format?

It is funny. Some auditors have absolutely no sense of humour.

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Old 24th February 2007, 11:39 AM
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Re: What is the difference between a 7D format and an 8D format?

I personally prefer and use a 4 step process:
1-problem description
2-assignment and tracking date
3-root cause and corrective action
4-verification

Of course, I'm not in a company where 8D is a customer requirement. I'm not opposed to 8D. More important I think is the requirements we use to define when a corrective action should be written: significant or repeated events and it is based on facts and data.
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