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  Post Number #57  
Old 15th May 2018, 01:42 PM
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Re: ISO 45001:2018 - Occupational Health and Safety Management Standard

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Hello !

Some additional remarks:
- ISO 45001 don't speak of "certified companies". There is no certification requirement in this standard.
- 8.1.1 focuses on operational planning and control. Coactivity of several companies in the same place is a special and "accessory" case.
- And in this case it is not a question of coordinating the totality of our OSH management (and even less to have a collective OSHMS !). It is only a question of coordinating the "relevant parts" of our OSH management regarding to this co-activity (mainly taking into account the risks of interferences of operations + preparation and response to common emergency situations, in my opinion).
- Nevertheless, each company is responsible for its own activity and its OSH management.

Bye.
Any certification to a management system standard is voluntary in most cases except few regulatory requirements. Also, like any other certifiable standard the ISO 45001 also indicates "Requirements". Under introduction 0.5 contents of this document clearly indicates "seeking certification/registration of its OH&S management system by an external organization".

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Old 16th May 2018, 03:05 AM
Henria

 
 
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Re: ISO 45001:2018 - Occupational Health and Safety Management Standard

Hi !

Sam, I don't think John looks for our opinion on what "multi-employer workplaces" are, but rather on what "the organization shall" to do in this case through his OSHMS.

I think you make a error reading 0.5 : ISO 45001 absolutely "don't* require" any certification ! This part just indicates that certification is one of the possible ways if an organization wishes to demonstrate conformity to this standard (see 3rd paragraph of 0.5). An organization can also just make a self-determination and self-declaration of conformity...
* Moreover there is no (voluntary) normative requirement throughout the "Introduction" of this standard or any such MS standard.

In fact a company can even be satisfied by progress made with its MS based on a normative model (this is the real goal), without "wishing to demonstrate its compliance with the standard" !!!!! OSHMS is prevention, certification is just communication... So ISO 45001 (14001, 9001...) has prevention requirements, but no certification requirement.

Bye.

Last edited by Henria; 16th May 2018 at 09:53 AM.
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Old 21st May 2018, 02:00 AM
Henria

 
 
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Re: ISO 45001:2018 - Occupational Health and Safety Management Standard

Sam, did you understand that ISO does not require certification of our occupational safety and health management systems using it as a model in our companies (same with EMS, QMS ...)?
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Old 22nd May 2018, 02:12 PM
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Sam, did you understand that ISO does not require certification of our occupational safety and health management systems using it as a model in our companies (same with EMS, QMS ...)?
:-) Thats what I said, certification to any management system is an voluntary initiative of the organization, unless specific requirement indicated by any regulatory authorities.

Thank you.
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Old 23rd May 2018, 01:28 AM
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Good day Sam.

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Also, like any other certifiable standard the ISO 45001 also indicates "Requirements". Under introduction 0.5 contents of this document clearly indicates "seeking certification/registration of its OH&S management system by an external organization".
OK, we agree then, there is no certification requirement in ISO 45001. I probably misunderstood your phrase "ISO 45001 also indicates Requirements" (english is not my native language). I thought it referred to a certification requirement especially.

Thanks.

Last edited by Henria; 24th May 2018 at 01:51 AM.
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Old 9th June 2018, 11:17 AM
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Re: ISO 45001:2018 - Occupational Health and Safety Management Standard

I am looking for a comparison between 18001 and 45001 to give an idea
a. what are the new requirements under 45001,
b. what requirements of 18001 no longer required under 45001 and
c. changes in 18001 requirements still applicable under 45001.

If you have any document/ compilation, please post here. Thanks in advance (In case if this question is posted elsewhere in Elsmar, please direct me there Thanks)
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Old 9th June 2018, 12:32 PM
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Re: ISO 45001:2018 - Occupational Health and Safety Management Standard

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I am looking for a comparison between 18001 and 45001 to give an idea ....If you have any document/ compilation, please post here.
Look at the ISO TC283 Working Area public page and the document contained therein, attached here for ease of retrieval.

From https://www.dnvgl.com/assurance/Mana...as-18001.html:

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Key changes in ISO 45001
  • Business Context: Chapter 4.1, external and internal issues, introduces new clauses for systematic determination and monitoring of the business context.
  • Workers and other interested parties: Chapter 4.2 introduces enhanced focus on needs and expectations for workers and other interested parties and worker involvement. This to systematically identify and understand factors that need to be managed through the management system.
  • Risk and opportunity management: Described in chapters 6.1.1, 6.1.2.3, 6.1.4, companies are to determine, consider and, where necessary, take action to address any risks or opportunities that may impact (either positively or negatively) the ability of the management system to deliver its intended results, including enhanced health and safety at the workplace.
  • Leadership and management commitment: Stated in chapter 5.1, ISO 45001 has stronger emphasis on top management to actively engage and take accountability for the effectiveness of the management system.
  • Objectives and Performance: Strengthened focus on objectives as drivers for improvements (chapters 6.2.1,6.2.2) and performance evaluation (chapter 9.1.1).

  • Extended requirements related to:
  • Participation, consultation and participation of workers (5.4)
  • Communication (7.4): More prescriptive in respect of the “mechanics” of communication, including determination of what, when and how to communicate.
  • Procurement, including outsourced processes, and contractors (8.1.4)
Also check ISO 45001 Occupational health and safety.
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Old 13th August 2018, 04:40 PM
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Re: ISO 45001:2018 - Occupational Health and Safety Management Standard

Hi folks,

Our company was recently audited by a CB against the requirements of ISO 45001. It was a stage 1 assessment, which basically assessed our readiness to undergo a stage 2 assessment. We passed this stage with just a handful of minor non-conformities. We have 3 months to address and close-out the non-conformities, which shouldn't be too much of a problem.

I just wondered, how much take-up in Europe and wider there has been so far on this standard?

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