ISO TS 22163 - New Rail Industry Standard

[Paul Simpson]

My search came up with zero results. Anyone involved in or interested in the new draft international standard for the rail industry - ISO TS 22163?

It is established to take over from the IRIS certification scheme developed and managed by UNIFE for rail industry suppliers.

My web search indicates it is due out in May 2017.

Any commentary appreciated!

 

[hogheavenfarm]

This was the original timeline posted in Feb. 2016

http://iris-iso.webs.com/apps/blog/

Maybe this will make it less of a 'closed' system, in that some information will be available without pay-to-play, but I have my doubts.

 

[hogheavenfarm]

A bit more from the sales pitch on Linked-In - "... continues to be supported by the "IRIS Audit Tool" that is based on the new IRIS Assessment Sheet, composed by around 870 mandatory requirements, which are grouped into about 300 questions, as well as new KO-requirements (plus additional optional requirements),
• requires the appraisal of the customer focus performance level,
• requires introduction of turtle diagrams and applies the methodology of Process Effectiveness Assessment Reviews (PEAR) for some mandatory processes,..."


Needless to say, the various industries 'splitting off' to create their own standards tells me that they do not believe 9001:2015 is 'good enough' even though they claim it is the 'basis' of their systems. A quick read shows that these systems often contradict the spirit of 9001 on almost every level.
We have no intention of signing on, ever.

 

[Nadaabo]

Hey Paul,
From what I understand, [FONT=&quot]ISO/TS 22163 is now out and it is the new requirement for the rail sector and is the evolution of the IRIS rev 02. It includes ISO9001:2015 requirements plus the rail specific requirements.
[/FONT] I have a link, but the system will not let me post it. Go to the IRIS-rail org website and click on information. it explains all this in detail.


I hope this helps

 

[howste]

ISO/TS 22163 can be purchased from ISO here: https://www.iso.org/standard/72712.html

IRIS news here: http://www.iris-rail.org/index.php?content=global_information&desc=news#

 

[Jinko]

Hello all,

First time posting here and seeking some clarification.

There has been much speculation regarding compulsory use of turtle diagrams for compliance to the new TS 22163 standard.

We have a well established and well performing IRIS compliant QMS so don't see the benefit in spending a lot of time developing diagramatical representations of already established systems.

I have read the TS standard a few times, when I had trouble sleeping ......., and can find no reference to their use. Am I missing something?

Thanks.
J

 

[hogheavenfarm]

"... requires introduction of turtle diagrams and applies the methodology of Process Effectiveness Assessment Reviews (PEAR) for some mandatory processes,..."

That bit was a quote from the IRIS Ghmb newsletter sent to me and posted on Linked In. I have not seen the subsequent ISO standard as we will not be following that up.

the direct link is here - http://www.cc-rail.info/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/NL-Jan-2017-english.pdf

 

[Jinko]

Sorry but if an auditor tried to pick me up for a line in a newsletter I think we may have a problem.

I can't see any reference to turtle diagrams (or PEAR) in TS 22163.

Specific questions relating to turtle diagrams may be in the revised audit tool ( I haven't checked that yet) which may then result in 'Defined' / 'Qualified' / 'Optimised' ranking.

 

[hogheavenfarm]

yes, my understanding is that it is part of the required audit tool.

 

[Priss80]

Can any of you to share the ISO/TS 22163:2017 standard? I need this urgently and lack of time to purchase at the moment.

Thanks