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  Post Number #9  
Old 20th October 2004, 01:17 PM
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In Reply to Parent Post by Wes Bucey

The idea of a third party being paid to attest to whether an entity followed an ethical Standard gives me an uneasy feeling.
Wes, where is this coming from? It has been clearly announced that the document would be a guidance document. There could be no attestation/certification to a guidance document.

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Old 20th October 2004, 01:32 PM
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In Reply to Parent Post by Sidney Vianna

Wes, where is this coming from? It has been clearly announced that the document would be a guidance document. There could be no attestation/certification to a guidance document.
You are correct. I was thrown by the use of the term "Standard" throughout. I am embarrassed that I missed this (underline and boldface are mine):
4 Type of standard

The document shall be an ISO standard providing guidance and shall not be intended for third-party certification.

The following wording would be appropriate: "This International Standard provides guidance to enable an organization to formulate SR systems taking into account communication of stakeholders. It is not intended for certification purpose, or regulatory or contractual use."

Throughout the standard, the verb form "should" shall be used.

Only one standard shall be developed.

The document shall not be an interim document (such as IWA or PAS)

  Post Number #11  
Old 31st January 2005, 12:31 PM
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Getting closer....

ISO prepares to launch development of standard on social responsibility
Ref.: 947
28 January 2005

ISO prepares to launch development of standard on social responsibility

The first meeting of the ISO group that is to develop an International Standard giving guidelines on social responsibility has been scheduled for 7-11 March 2005 in Salvador, Bahia, Brazil. ISO expects that developing the standard will take three years, with publication in early 2008.

The standard will provide guiding principles on social responsibility (SR). It will not be a management system standard and will not be for certification purposes.

The national standards institutes that make up ISO's membership recently approved SR as a new work item for the organization, which has a current portfolio of more than 15 000 standards providing benefits for almost every sector of business and technology. Of the 37 countries that voted, 32 wish to participate in developing the SR standard.

Leadership of the ISO Working Group on Social Responsibility (from left):
Co-Secretary, Eduardo Campos de São Thiago; Vice Chair, Catarina Munck af Rosenschöld; Chair, Jorge E.R. Cajazeira, and Secretary, Kristina Sandberg.

The job will be done by the specially created ISO Working Group on Social Responsibility. At the group's upcoming first meeting, it will mainly focus on organizing its future work, discussing and determining aspects such as the following:
  • the structure and terms of the reference of the working group,
  • the structure of the SR guideline standard,
  • a project plan,
  • appointing convenors and secretariats for its subgroups.
Strong support for ISO to launch an SR standard has come from its developing country members and in assigning the leadership of the SR working group, ISO chose to twin the national standards institute of a developing country, Brazil (ABNT), with that of an industrialized one, Sweden (SIS).

The Chair is Mr. Jorge E.R. Cajazeira, Excellence Programme Corporate Manager of the Suzano Group's Pulp and Paper Division, of Brazil, and the Vice Chair is Ms. Catarina Munck af Rosenschöld, Manager Corporate Citizenship, of the Volvo Car Corporation, Sweden. The Secretary is Ms. Kristina Sandberg, Sector Manager, Management Systems, SIS, and the Co-Secretary is Mr. Eduardo Campos de São Thiago, Coordinator of International Relations, ABNT.

Jorge Cajazeira said that the SR group's work would be notable for its transparency and emphasis on providing added value: "ISO's future SR guideline standard is of great interest to stakeholder groups such as regulators, labour and nongovernmental organizations that have previously had limited contact with ISO. We shall no doubt need to be innovative in order to engage with them fruitfully, while implementing ISO's fundamental principles, including openness and transparency in the work.

"In addition, I emphasize that ISO's work is intended to add value to, and not to replace, existing inter-governmental agreements with relevance to social responsibility, such as the United Nations Universal Declaration of Human Rights, and those adopted by the International Labour Organization (ILO), and other UN conventions.

"ISO can add value by developing an international consensus on basic guiding principles that will bring clarity, encourage communication and allow meaningful comparisons in the field of social responsibility."

As Vice Chair, Catarina Munck af Rosenschöld is designated in particular to lead the proposed Task Group on Funding and Stakeholder Engagement that will have the mission of finding money to make participation easier for developing countries and other stakeholder groups with limited resources.

She commented: "We shall endeavour to unite a majority of the world's experts on social responsibility within the working group. Our expectation is that the participants will represent many different areas of expertise and many types of organization in order to provide a solid base of input from the diversity of SR stakeholders. The challenge is to take account of the existing global principles, standards, guidelines and knowledge into our work and at the same time be creative in the development of this guidance document.

"Our ambition is to develop guiding principles with global relevance that will be useful to organizations worldwide in establishing, implementing, maintaining and improving the way they address social responsibility."

For further information on ISO's social responsibility initiative, see:

Press contact:

Roger Frost
Press and Communication Manager
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Tel. +41 22 749 01 11
Fax +41 22 733 34 30

  Post Number #12  
Old 31st January 2005, 12:48 PM
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Just the beginning.

Step 1, Guidance

Step 2, Recommended

Step 3, Required
  Post Number #13  
Old 31st January 2005, 02:49 PM
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It is interesting to note some organizations have made a public commitment to Social Responsibility (The Gap - clothing) and actively intervene in assuring subcontractors (suppliers) deal fairly with workers.

On the other hand, some of the largest and most influential organizations (WalMart - everything) seem almost antithetical to the concept of social responsibility and have been pulling the rug out from under suppliers in entire countries (notably countries in Africa, the Caribbean, and South America) as Quotas are relaxed for imports from Asian countries.

The result is entire communities throughout the affected areas are devasted by wholesale factory shutdowns as those factories lose business from their primary customers who are forced by the economic power of Walmart to re-source their supplies. It is not just a single industry (textiles, toys, tools, tires, etc.) but EVERY industry affected by the constant price point pressure of an economic engine like Walmart which has such a major ripple effect across so many industries.

Do I have an answer? No! Eventually, bloated bureaucracies, tyrannies, and dictatorships (political or commercial) fall. Some fall by peaceful means (Glasnost?) Most fall with pain and bloodshed. No one yet has been able to guarantee a peaceful transition, despite best efforts.
  Post Number #14  
Old 1st February 2005, 12:24 AM
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We (Hindalco Industries Ltd. -Birla Copper) are planning to be accrediated SA - 8000 by April 2005. We are working for it since last eight months.

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Old 1st February 2005, 07:31 AM
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In Reply to Parent Post by Manoj Mathur

We (Hindalco Industries Ltd. -Birla Copper) are planning to be accrediated SA - 8000 by April 2005. We are working for it since last eight months.

We'd be interested in seeing the organization documentation and "plan" if you'd care to share with us.
  Post Number #16  
Old 1st February 2005, 10:17 AM
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I think this is interesting and timely. Dell Computer now requires their first tier supplier to sign a commitment to "Global Citizenship". As a follow-on, they also ask for a plan with a written code of conduct with milestones and follow-ups in the quarterly business reviews. Their plan includes ISO 14001, OHSAS 18001, and a supplier specific plan for Labor Rights.

Dell, IBM and HP collaborated on a "Code of Conduct", so I find the John Hughes comment interesting.

They have had a bit of a time finding a standard to reference for vendors, so the ISO Guidance may be helpful for Dell, and for their first tier suppliers, some of whom are struggling to put their plans together.

They have published a list of supplier principles which include:
Every employee must be a voluntary employee
Every employee must be of working age (legal requirements of the country or age 15, whichever is greater)
Every employee must be hired, promoted and rewarded based on ability and performance
Every employee must be treated with dignity
Every employee must be entitled to working hours that adhere to local laws and industry standards
Every employee must be paid fairly for their work.

I really respect what Dell and others are doing, in this day of global outsourcing.
Thanks to RosieA for your informative Post and/or Attachment!

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