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Old 27th October 2007, 10:50 PM
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dear folks

I know there are million questions regarding CAPA.
I haven't been able to find a definitive answer on this.

Let us take example in one of RCA exercise, a Corrective Action was found out. If we implement Corrective Action in similer component group, can we call it as Preventive Action.
If yes what treatment/ we should call for if Preventive Action from earlier RCA exercise being implemented for similer component group.


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Old 28th October 2007, 06:38 AM
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dear folks

I know there are million questions regarding CAPA.
I haven't been able to find a definitive answer on this.

Let us take example in one of RCA exercise, a Corrective Action was found out. If we implement Corrective Action in similer component group, can we call it as Preventive Action.
Yes.

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If yes, what treatment/ we should call for if Preventive Action from earlier RCA exercise being implemented for similer component group.
Same, Preventive Action

Stijloor.
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Old 28th October 2007, 08:56 AM
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Re: Corrective Action vs. Preventive (Predictive) Action (CAPA)

I agree with Stijloor 100%
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Old 28th October 2007, 09:18 AM
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If the system is that of ISO/TS then it is still a corrective action

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8.5.2.3 Corrective action impact
The organization shall apply to other similar processes and products the corrective action, and controls implemented, to eliminate the cause of a nonconformity.
Thanks to Howard Atkins for your informative Post and/or Attachment!
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Old 28th October 2007, 02:36 PM
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If the system is that of ISO/TS then it is still a corrective action
Howard,

I have to respectfully disagree with you. Any action taken to prevent a nonconformity is a preventive action. The unwanted situation or condition has not occurred yet.


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Old 28th October 2007, 03:55 PM
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Howard,

I have to respectfully disagree with you. Any action taken to prevent a nonconformity is a preventive action. The unwanted situation or condition has not occurred yet.


Stijloor.
I agree with this as I understand it. A corrective action is taken to remedy something that is known to be deficient.

If that action is repeated in an appropriate area that has not been found to be deficient, this extended effort is a preventive action for that area. It becomes a matter of learning from mistakes, an excellent endeavor.
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Old 28th October 2007, 04:13 PM
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I agree with this as I understand it. A corrective action is taken to remedy something that is known to be deficient.

If that action is repeated in an appropriate area that has not been found to be deficient, this extended effort is a preventive action for that area. It becomes a matter of learning from mistakes, an excellent endeavor.
Please, let us not go here again. TS16949 is an exception. The passage Howard quoted clearly shows that under that standard, actions taken on other processes as a result of corrective action in another should not be considered preventive for purposes of distinguishing between corrective and preventive actions. I know it makes no sense, and no one dislikes the mindless corrective/preventive dichotomy more than me, but there it is.
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Old 28th October 2007, 05:06 PM
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Please, let us not go here again. TS16949 is an exception. The passage Howard quoted clearly shows that under that standard, actions taken on other processes as a result of corrective action in another should not be considered preventive for purposes of distinguishing between corrective and preventive actions. I know it makes no sense, and no one dislikes the mindless corrective/preventive dichotomy more than me, but there it is.
Good points. Yes, I see ISO/TS 16949:2002, I see Howard's point, I see all contributors' points in this thread. Let's agree that whatever we do to prevent/correct problems is effort well worth it. Fair enough?

Thanks, you are all great.

Stijloor.
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