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Preventative Action vs. Opportunity for Improvement
Preventative Action vs. Opportunity for Improvement
Preventative Action vs. Opportunity for Improvement
Preventative Action vs. Opportunity for Improvement
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Old 26th July 2017, 11:45 PM
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Re: Preventative Action vs. Opportunity for Improvement

We manage this issue in this way.
I have a format similar to an ncr is named OFI.
Into it, People describe what process,product could be improved.
Every two months,we analyze reports and decide what is worth the effort to be applied, after some of them are approved,actions are carried out,also this task is reviewed in the management review meetings.
I refer this activity in my improvement procedure (very simple procedure)
Hope this helps
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Old 27th July 2017, 03:39 AM
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Re: Preventative Action vs. Opportunity for Improvement

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Has this changed for ISO 9001:2015 or IATF 16949:2016?
I don't think the basics have changed.
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Old 27th July 2017, 10:22 AM
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Re: Preventative Action vs. Opportunity for Improvement

In my past life we had CA and a part of it was CA Impact. Which is not the same as PA. PA is training, inspection, supplier eval., PM, etc. An OFI was something that was not really wrong with the system but could make things better, faster, cheaper. Employee suggestion systems fell under the OFI umbrella. The PA Handbook by D. Robitaille is a good source of information.
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Old 27th July 2017, 10:33 AM
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Re: Preventative Action vs. Opportunity for Improvement

Thanks for the reference.
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Old 3rd August 2017, 04:56 PM
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Re: Preventative Action vs. Opportunity for Improvement

Thanks gpainter
I am so glad someone used CA separate from PA in a sentence.
CA = Corrective Action, something happened and an action needs to take place to correct it.
PA = Preventive Action, something could happen and an action takes place to keep it from happening.

Calling your Corrective Action system "CAPA" is going to lead to problems because then others are going to think that both CA and PA require the same thought process, actions, verification and they do not. CA and PA are not rolled into the same requirement in the standard and would be best handled, IMHO, differently.

What I struggle with while taking on a Preventive Action is, how do you verify the effectiveness? It's easy to see when a PA is not effective but, if your PA is to keep something from occurring how do you verify that and if you just say that in so and so period of time it hasn't happened so it must be effective, what do you do if it happens the day after you close the PA?
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Old 4th August 2017, 08:12 AM
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Re: Preventative Action vs. Opportunity for Improvement

I believe that a lot of this depends on the PA itself. The simple evidence is that no problems have occurred. One of the PA forms section is the Application of Control, this is where you determine what measurements that you could do and/or currently doing the determine effectiveness of the prevention. This is all about potential. New hires are usually excellent sources of PA.

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