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Continual Improvement - What is CI and what is CI not?
Continual Improvement - What is CI and what is CI not?
Continual Improvement - What is CI and what is CI not?
Continual Improvement - What is CI and what is CI not?
Continual Improvement - What is CI and what is CI not?
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Old 4th June 2004, 01:30 PM
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Part of me agree's with my fuzzy companion's comments on diminishing returns, but the other part says that will only hold true if industry does not continue to evolve.
Okay...putting down the pompoms and picking up my lightsabre again...
I think I've been Roxy-ized!

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Old 4th June 2004, 03:32 PM
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Continous Improvement - Perpetual (Webster = "uninterupted extension") improvement made every day, hour, and minute. This term was unrealistic and therefore changed in the standards to continual improvement.

Continual Improvement - Non-ceasing (Webster = "recurring in steady succession") acts to enhance value, excellence, quality, or simply: to make things better than they were before.
Sometime in the past I remember switching terms and using continual rather than continous improvement. At the time, I realized it was more accurate or better but I had forgotten why I switched. Your definitions fit what I remember.

I believe the problem with continuous improvement was that it implied getting to an unattainable place that just frustrated workers. Continual improvement allows the worker to evaluate where they are now and work on something that will make things better. It could be a stretch goal or a much smaller step but either way it improved the product or service.

I have been told that you see good ideas to Steal Shamelessly. If you don't mind, I think I will keep your definitions for future reference.

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Old 4th June 2004, 05:02 PM
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If the benchmark never changes, Jaime, then, yes, eventually CI would become negligible. But that's why the benchmarks in our industries are the benchmarks...they don't accept their current level of performance as being the best they can do. New technologies come into play. New people with fresh ideas of thinking and doing. The bar is always raised and there will always be areas for fantastic gains!
Well said. When you start hitting the ceiling the time for a breakthrough has come... New technology, process, philosophy... whatever...

/Claes
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Old 8th June 2004, 06:50 AM
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I hope I'm in the right thread now Claes...

I'll start with this:

Continous Improvement - Perpetual (Webster = "uninterupted extension") improvement made every day, hour, and minute. This term was unrealistic and therefore changed in the standards to continual improvement.

Continual Improvement - Non-ceasing (Webster = "recurring in steady succession") acts to enhance value, excellence, quality, or simply: to make things better than they were before.

Instead of it being an entity of its own in an organization, e.g. having its own procedure or "process" or other such thing, it should be an evident and intrinsic part of the management environment. A chief goal of top management should be that no process in the organization ever stagnate. Everything must get better over time.

Evidence of continual improvement can then be found in MANY areas:
- Strategic Business Planning
- Benchmarking
- Training & Education Initiatives
- Corrective & Preventive Actions
- Audit OFIs
- SPC
- Reliability Growth
- Waste reduction
- ETC.

Anyway, these are my thoughts. I look forward to more on this.
I remember these definitions. I recall a graphic that illustrated the difference between the two. One graph was a straight linear line with a 45 degree slope upward (continuous) and the other graph was a random crooked line with a slope that was generally upward (continual). Does anyone in the cove remember this graph? Does anyone perhaps still have a copy that they could post?
Jim
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Old 8th June 2004, 07:34 AM
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I don't know about the 45 degree slope, , but I've seen this also, and as long as the trend line is trending in a favorable direction (depending on what you are trending), you have "continual" not "necessarily continuous improvement.

Excellent way to rapidly review measureables at MR meetings also. . . quick glance tells the story.
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Old 8th June 2004, 02:55 PM
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Thinking about Continuous improvement in relation to Continual improvement!
Depending on your business environment: The word Continuous suggests permanency and, the word Continual suggests frequency.
What does the group think???
Wallace.
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Old 8th June 2004, 03:05 PM
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Thinking about Continuous improvement in relation to Continual improvement!
Depending on your business environment: The word Continuous suggests permanency and, the word Continual suggests frequency.
What does the group think???
Wallace.
My take is that continuous is viewed as a ramp - a continuous slope, continuous ongoing change. I prefer continual, which is allowed to be discontinuous, like a stairway. You make a change, wait (at least briefly) and study to see its effect or lack of effect, make another change, wait and study to see its effect, etc etc and etc. aka PDSA if you develop this further.

I believe people don't do well in an environment of continuous change, you start seeing that deer in a headlight looks, the "don't just stand there do something" tampering with processes.
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Old 8th June 2004, 03:13 PM
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My take is that continuous is viewed as a ramp - a continuous slope, continuous ongoing change. I prefer continual, which is allowed to be discontinuous, like a stairway. You make a change, wait (at least briefly) and study to see its effect or lack of effect, make another change, wait and study to see its effect, etc etc and etc. aka PDSA if you develop this further.
I agree steve
The Continual approach does indeed align well with the PDSA approach to process improvement. The allowance for a study of the process measure regarding, deciding appropriate actions is indeed needed.
Would you agree that modern management methods for the most part practice the Continuous approach (By nature), thus infusing an MBO environment and intentionaly putting the cart before the horse?
Just my thoughts.
Wallace.

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