Differences Between Iso 9001:2000 And Qs-9000

KIDDO

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Good Morning;

What are the differences between ISO 9001:2000 and QS-9000?

Thanks
Kiddo:)
 

Marc

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I haven't seen any comparison matrices - Probably because QS9000 is almost obsolete (2006 will soon be here) and QS9000 was keyed to ISO 9001:1994.

What are you doing? Changing from QS9000 to ISO 9001?
 

KIDDO

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Marc said:
I haven't seen any comparison matrices - Probably because QS9000 is almost obsolete (2006 will soon be here) and QS9000 was keyed to ISO 9001:1994.

What are you doing? Changing from QS9000 to ISO 9001?

Marc;

Yes, that is the intent for now. Then in 2007, go to TS-16949.
 

Helmut Jilling

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KIDDO said:
Good Morning;

What are the differences between ISO 9001:2000 and QS-9000?

Thanks
Kiddo:)


The biggest difference is that in ISO 9001:2000, you define your system by the processes you do at your site, where QS defined your system by the 21 elements and sections. ISO then has you define significant details for those processes (ref. 4.1 in the ISO or TS standard).

There are many other items as well, but one thing that did not change much are floor level work instructions. Most of the changes are at the management level activities.

Reading ISO 9004 would be very beneficial as well.
 
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barbt

why not go straight to TS?

hjilling said:
The biggest difference is that in ISO 9001:2000, you define your system by the processes you do at your site, where QS defined your system by the 21 elements and sections. ISO then has you define significant details for those processes (ref. 4.1 in the ISO or TS standard).

There are many other items as well, but one thing that did not change much are floor level work instructions. Most of the changes are at the management level activities.

Reading ISO 9004 would be very beneficial as well.


If you are QS compliant, you probably have many of the requirements for TS already filled - though not necessarily documented in the current process -oriented fashion, but certainly in place. To make the move to TS, you would have to add more detail, and perhaps beef up some of the stuff you're already doing.

ISO 9001:2000 is much less stringent than either QS or TS, so a whole bunch of QS specific 'shalls' don't need to make the transition to the new certification level. However, if you are planning to go to TS in the near future anyway, you will just have to re-introduce the stuff you likely would have stripped out for ISO 9001:2000

Have you considered moving to TS directly?

Barbt
 
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KIDDO

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barbt said:
If you are QS compliant, you probably have many of the requirements for TS already filled - though not necessarily documented in the current process -oriented fashion, but certainly in place. To make the move to TS, you would have to add more detail, and perhaps beef up some of the stuff you're already doing.

ISO 9001:2000 is much less stringent than either QS or TS, so a whole bunch of QS specific 'shalls' don't need to make the transition to the new certification level. However, if you are planning to go to TS in the near future anyway, you will just have to re-introduce the stuff you likely would have stripped out for ISO 9001:2000

Have you considered moving to TS directly?

Barbt

Good Morning;
Our Quality Manager has made that decision to go ISO first, then TS later....
 
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Hoeyster

There are many other items as well, but one thing that did not change much are floor level work instructions. Most of the changes are at the management level activities.

I know QS9000 is obsolete but I have had many conversations at my company about the work instructions TS is talking about:
TS 7.5.1.2 - The organization shall prepare documented work instructions for all employees having responsibilities for the operation of processses that impact product quality. These instructions shall be accessible for use at the work station. These instructions shall be derived from sources such as the quality plan, the control plan and the product realization process.

My interpretation of the clause 7.5.1.2 is that the instructions they are talking about are the ones that tell you how to build the part / product, not the work instructions telling you how to run the mill / machine.

First of all, is my interpretation correct?

My second question is, what work instructions was QS9000 talking about?
 

Stijloor

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I know QS9000 is obsolete but I have had many conversations at my company about the work instructions TS is talking about:
TS 7.5.1.2 - The organization shall prepare documented work instructions for all employees having responsibilities for the operation of processses that impact product quality. These instructions shall be accessible for use at the work station. These instructions shall be derived from sources such as the quality plan, the control plan and the product realization process.

My interpretation of the clause 7.5.1.2 is that the instructions they are talking about are the ones that tell you how to build the part / product, not the work instructions telling you how to run the mill / machine.

First of all, is my interpretation correct?

The purpose of work instructions is to provide the information that will allow operators to perform the job safely, effectively and efficiently. The level of detail depends on a number of factors:
  • competency of the operators
  • complexity of the task
  • potential problems to be prevented
Work instructions are not limited to assembly/build processes, but can be applied to any activity including setting up and operating a machine, etc.

You probably know best what instuctions, and what type, are necessary to help the operators to be successful. That's the first order of business. Do what makes business sense.

My second question is, what work instructions was QS9000 talking about?

See above. The intent of the requirement in QS-9000 was the same.

Hope this helps. Please come back for more questions.....

Stijloor.
 

Helmut Jilling

Auditor / Consultant
....My interpretation of the clause 7.5.1.2 is that the instructions they are talking about are the ones that tell you how to build the part / product, not the work instructions telling you how to run the mill / machine.

First of all, is my interpretation correct?

My second question is, what work instructions was QS9000 talking about?

No, your interpretation is making a distinction between the two which is not necessary. I would say you are thinking too hard. Work instructions in QS-9000 and in TS-16949 can be the same thing.

Ref. 4.2.1:
The quality management system documentation shall include...
d) documents needed by the organization to ensure the effective planning, operation and control of its processes, ...​

Whatever you "need" to provide to make your processes and product run as planned would apply here. Certainly, QS-9000 type work instructions would be applicable.
 
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