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Old 11th January 2018, 03:41 PM
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Re: Internal Audit Scope and Criteria

Andy N and GStough have provided some excellent feedback.

A few thoughts (as I understand is the current practice):

If you read Developing a ISO 9001:2015 Internal Audit Plan and Schedule you will find an excellent discussion of Internal Audits.

I bring this up because there are two types of "internal audits".

What is the difference between Process and Compliance Audit?
  1. Compliance Audit
  2. Process Audit
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Old 11th January 2018, 07:45 PM
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Regarding an internal audit done by external auditor. a normal audit, scope, compliance with 9001 2015.

In case of findings, do all findings detected have to be mentioned by the auditor to the auditee when audit is finished in any process and both have to agreed on findings?
or can wait and be commented in the closure meeting?.

If after the audit report sent to us by the auditor, we detected that one Nonconformity declared, we think doesnt proceed because he didnt mention this nc to the auditee, the Nc was mentioned in the closure meeting but the auditee said nothing, didnt refused it, nor talked anything about it.

What can we do? just to say that does not proceed? or should we talk to the auditor and suggest him to change the original audit report?

Are there somewhere ISO rules to follow?

Thanks
Yes, if the CB and auditor are "professional". Audit findings should be presented to the client at the time of the audit.

There should be ZERO non-conformities reported after the audit is over.

Complain to the CB that a) NCs were NOT discussed at the time of the audit, b) that NCs were reported AFTER the audit was concluded and c) the report wasn't prepared and delivered at the time of the audit.

Be aware that this type of thing goes hand-in-glove with your selection of CB. If you weren't diligent in selection, chose "cheap" or "local", then this is likely to be the result. Also, if the CB doesn't ensure that their auditors DON'T do this type of unprofessional thing, then they may not handle your complaint every effectively, either. I would not pay for their audit until things are resolved to your satisfaction.
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