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Hello,
Apologies if this has been discussed already (I made sure I looked through as many related posts as possible) and also for the length, but I'm at a loss and looking for some input:
After performing a year-end review of CAR trends, it has been shown that our corrective actions are not being addressed in a timely manner.
Some details on our current method...
CARs in our CAPA system have four possible states: Active, Completed, Closed and Late.
- Active: the CAR has been submitted and approved as a valid CAR, is not Late and is being worked on.
- Completed: Containment, root cause and corrective action have stated as being completed by the process owner, and the CAR has been submitted to QA for review.
- Closed: QA has performed the follow-up activities and has found the actions to be effective.
- Late: The containment, root cause and/or corrective action has not been completed and forwarded to QA by the due date. A CAR goes from Active to Late automatically when the due date has been passed without the required info.
We set the due date for CARs 30 days out. If it's critical, it can be shortened. If it's determined after assignment of the CAR that the problem is deep and the plan and the fix will take longer than 30 days, the owner of the CAR is to identify this fact before the CAR is due, and to request a project sheet. In this sheet, they are required to identify the elements that have to be part of any CAR (containment, root cause and corrective action) as well as identify the milestones that will be carried out to complete the CAR. Each milestone must have a due date and an owner, and needs to be approved by QA before the project is accepted for use. Once the project is accepted (in that if it is carried out as defined, it will satisfy the CAR), the CAR is moved to the Completed state, as per the definition above. The reason we do this is that it makes no sense to have the CAR show Late when the original due date is passed; the project sheet now contains the new agreed-upon dates.
Please note that at this time, the CAR is Completed, not Closed, as follow-up is not yet done.
So...my question (finally!). Is this a reasonable method to use when I know or have been informed that the fix is going to take more than 30 days? I've seen other procedures in other companies that dictate writing a CAR for that late CAR and state that the due date is the due date, no arguments - but I can't see the value in that.
How do other groups do this? What is your method when you've assigned a CAR with a due date, and the owner comes back to you 29 days later saying "Man, this is a lot bigger than we imagined. I need an extension/project"? This has been abused in the past when managers realized they could use it to circumvent the process. They treat it like a "Get Out Of Jail Free" card (no Qwality Kop jokes please, you know what I mean).
Thanks for reading, sorry it's so long, but I really value your input.
Apologies if this has been discussed already (I made sure I looked through as many related posts as possible) and also for the length, but I'm at a loss and looking for some input:
After performing a year-end review of CAR trends, it has been shown that our corrective actions are not being addressed in a timely manner.
Some details on our current method...
CARs in our CAPA system have four possible states: Active, Completed, Closed and Late.
- Active: the CAR has been submitted and approved as a valid CAR, is not Late and is being worked on.
- Completed: Containment, root cause and corrective action have stated as being completed by the process owner, and the CAR has been submitted to QA for review.
- Closed: QA has performed the follow-up activities and has found the actions to be effective.
- Late: The containment, root cause and/or corrective action has not been completed and forwarded to QA by the due date. A CAR goes from Active to Late automatically when the due date has been passed without the required info.
We set the due date for CARs 30 days out. If it's critical, it can be shortened. If it's determined after assignment of the CAR that the problem is deep and the plan and the fix will take longer than 30 days, the owner of the CAR is to identify this fact before the CAR is due, and to request a project sheet. In this sheet, they are required to identify the elements that have to be part of any CAR (containment, root cause and corrective action) as well as identify the milestones that will be carried out to complete the CAR. Each milestone must have a due date and an owner, and needs to be approved by QA before the project is accepted for use. Once the project is accepted (in that if it is carried out as defined, it will satisfy the CAR), the CAR is moved to the Completed state, as per the definition above. The reason we do this is that it makes no sense to have the CAR show Late when the original due date is passed; the project sheet now contains the new agreed-upon dates.
Please note that at this time, the CAR is Completed, not Closed, as follow-up is not yet done.
So...my question (finally!). Is this a reasonable method to use when I know or have been informed that the fix is going to take more than 30 days? I've seen other procedures in other companies that dictate writing a CAR for that late CAR and state that the due date is the due date, no arguments - but I can't see the value in that.
How do other groups do this? What is your method when you've assigned a CAR with a due date, and the owner comes back to you 29 days later saying "Man, this is a lot bigger than we imagined. I need an extension/project"? This has been abused in the past when managers realized they could use it to circumvent the process. They treat it like a "Get Out Of Jail Free" card (no Qwality Kop jokes please, you know what I mean).
Thanks for reading, sorry it's so long, but I really value your input.