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Old 19th April 2017, 12:53 PM
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Re: Well-oiled racket involving sale of ISO certificates uncovered in the UAE

Thanks for this, Sidney. I've recently been given a new role to liaise with CASCO on behalf of TC 176. I'm looking to gather some options for how I deliver against the role requirements and this kind of feedback will be so valuable.

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Old 20th April 2017, 05:04 PM
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Re: Well-oiled racket involving sale of ISO certificates uncovered in the UAE

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About 10-15 years ago remember we all talked about this in jest righ here?
Not so much "jest" as I recall, but more "kidding on the square." Our original discussion began over a registrar headquartered in the USA with a reputation for issuing certificates as soon as the check cleared.

That discussion evolved into an exposť of some operations issuing certificates without even bothering to send an employee to a manufacturing site

From there, we determined that the bureaucratic gullibility of corporate purchasing processes combined with a thick-headed insistence that every link in a supply chain be "registered" to make life easier [read "cheaper"] for incoming inspection meant we professionals should go into the business of cobbling together generic paperwork (Q manuals and such) for supply chain links, then have our "Chinese Wall" separated divisions issue the certificates of registration to those same links. I think we pretty much determined the only things necessary were word processors, Word templates, printers, and reams of paper. Essentially, printing money without the pesky problem of being arrested for counterfeiting currency.

[How long do we have to wait before the furor dies down so we can start another round of lucrative deception?]
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Old 20th April 2017, 09:08 PM
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Re: Well-oiled racket involving sale of ISO certificates uncovered in the UAE

The bigger question is ... is this the only place in the world where this goes on, or is this the only place in the world where someone checked .....

Methinks the latter. In my job, I travel the world certifying suppliers. I can't tell you how many countries I have been in. I'm at the point where I don't even check for a TS Cert any more. Too many plants have this rascal hanging on the wall and I walk through the plant and wonder how they got it.

It's always in the company presentation. And I'm always "That's nice. When are we leaving the conference room and going on the floor."
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Old 21st April 2017, 05:15 PM
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Re: Well-oiled racket involving sale of ISO certificates uncovered in the UAE

I'm going to express a slightly contrarian view, and say that I'm not too concerned. I trust that the market will sort it out in time...and hence I 100% support exposes like this...I just don't think it's anything to lose our heads over.

Cases of outright fraud can be litigated as such, certain registrars will rise to the top based on their reputation, and anyone relying on ISO certs (e.g. as a way to vet suppliers) will simply have to be more vigilant.

Publicly searchable databases will arise on their own (most large registrars already have them). Soon, due to demand, any reputable registrar will be expected to maintain a database where the public can authenticate certificates.

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Under normal circumstances the much trusted and globally recognised stamp is awarded only after a detailed audit and compliance survey which takes weeks, if not months. But here in the UAE you can have it for as little as Dh4,000 and within three days.
ISO 9001 audit taking months? ...maybe if you factor in the audit lead-time. ...but still, I think this statement is a bit misleading, and represents the process to be far more rigorous than it actually is in practice.
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