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Customer request VDA 6.3 as well as TS 16949
Customer request VDA 6.3 as well as TS 16949
Customer request VDA 6.3 as well as TS 16949
Customer request VDA 6.3 as well as TS 16949
Customer request VDA 6.3 as well as TS 16949
Customer request VDA 6.3 as well as TS 16949
Customer request VDA 6.3 as well as TS 16949
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  Post Number #17  
Old 30th August 2016, 05:29 AM

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Re: Customer request VDA 6.3 as well as TS 16949

Hi Maggylu ,
thank you for examples.
To be honest there is not enough information to clarify the findings.
But VDA 6.3 clause 5.6 clearly says that suspected incomming products must be protected against access .To be honest it is about preventing the risk . Ask yourself "is there a possibility to mix suspected part with OK parts ? In case that you answer yes ,even if you estimate risk to 0,01% (100 ppm =100 potential car failures) , you have to improve your process to get 0 - ZERO DEFECT POLICY . I dont know if there were some complaints from your customer due to defects on your assemblies caused by faulty material from your supplier. .. Second one P6.1.3 - safe handling . Have you ever bought something from supermarket and the package of your favorite biscuits has been cutted ? I am sure that answer is yes . this sometimes happens .even if the workers are properly trained . there is a lot of products in the market that could perfectly fits for usage in your production -Safety box cutters . You wrote "The auditor is quite mad when seeing operators use box cutter to open the boxes" .I dont know what exactly he saw , but if he went mad ,probably he saw really dangerous manipulation by some of your operators. It is all about failure avoiding .. I saw what could happend when OEM will stop the lines due to faulty components in the past and I do know what does mean car "recall" from field .. hope you dont . (ps :english level sufficient ? )

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Old 30th August 2016, 11:01 PM

Total Posts: 19
Re: Customer request VDA 6.3 as well as TS 16949

Hi Michajel86,
Agree to lack of enough background information for you to properly clarify the findings. The safety box cutter is the issue that happened when the auditor picked up a box with finished goods inside and asked our operator to open it immediately. I have to say your mentioned cuttered biscuits or dangerous manipulation rarely happen in Japan, especially in a Japanese plant. The point is we think IT system control is better than human control for faulty material. Let the computer do the gating is more closer to ZERO DEFECT POLICY than human with keys. The same concept applies for FIFO as well. (another case: the auditor requires paper with serial numbers for visibility while we use ERP with barcode system to control.) I doubt maybe this is not only a culture difference but also a generation difference.
BTW, the plant is a tier-2 electronic components supplier and the audit language is German. What do you mean for "english level sufficient?" another preconception?
  Post Number #19  
Old 31st August 2016, 05:18 PM
Carol F.

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Re: Customer request VDA 6.3 as well as TS 16949

We use the VDA 6.3 checklist in all of our internal audits due to a missed opportunity of taking exception to this requirement during our CSR process. We added a column for TS on the Requirements page of the checklist so that us auditors could reference where the TS requirements align with what the VDA was looking at. It is also helpful if you can get your hands on the VDA 6.3 manual. That has even more information on each section. Hope this helps someone out there.
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Old 5th September 2016, 04:46 AM

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Re: Customer request VDA 6.3 as well as TS 16949

Although the comparison is between old VDA 6.3 and old TS16949, it helps a little. However, there are some wrongly or missing mapping from VDA 6.3 in the table from P4.4 to P4.9. If anyone can share the similar mapping for VDA 6.3 3rd revision and TS16949 4th revision. That would be a great big help~
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Old 16th November 2016, 04:03 AM

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Re: Customer request VDA 6.3 as well as TS 16949

The Customer Specific Requirements is the key here - as the topic started with VW and the flow down from Formel Q all suppliers in the supplier chain are requested to follow VDA 6.3 standards. The further down the supply chain the less likely the supplier is to be aware of this. How many tier 3 or 4 suppliers really know the expectations from the customer - Geographical location is no excuse - Automotive is a global operation with the increase in German based OEMS in North America this is becoming more and more common.

Recently these points are becoming more focused on the system audits also with Non Conformity's being issued now that may or may not of been issued in the past.

Last edited by arinek; 16th November 2016 at 04:14 AM.
  Post Number #22  
Old 12th January 2018, 02:19 AM
Kiran Walimbe

Total Posts: 8
Re: Customer request VDA 6.3 as well as TS 16949

Formel-Q is a slightly modified version of VDA 6.3 process auditing. However, IATF 16949 is a system audit which fundamentally differs from the Process audit, especially the one being carried out by VW auditors. The approach of VDA process auditor is quite different from that of IATF or TS auditor. The entire pattern of this audit is available in the Red Book or the standard VDA 6.3 (2016) which you can buy on line from VDA webshop.

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