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Old 28th November 2016, 11:46 PM
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Re: ISO17025 for in-house calibration labs: is it required?

[QUOTE=Sidney Vianna;580140]I believe that, in the Automotive Sector, ISO/TS-16949 requires in-house calibration labs to be accredited to ISO/IEC 17025.

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7.6.3.1 NOTE: "Accreditation to ISO/IEC 17025 may be used to demonstrate supplier in-house laboratory conformity to this requirement but is NOT mandatory,"

It is not a requirement of TS16949 that in-house calibration labs be accredited to ISO17025. The ISO/TS16949 states: "Organization that have internal laboratory facilities that perform tests and calibration services must have a defined scope that clearly communicates the types of work that the facility is capable of performing."

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Old 15th December 2016, 01:40 PM
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Re: ISO17025 for In-House Calibration Labs: Is it required?

we are accredited to TS16949 which states that OUTSIDE calibration companies must be 17025. We are thinking about bringing certification of digital micrometers and digital calipers in house next year. There is no requirement to be certified to 17025 internally. What experience to the users here have with self calibrations? What training have you received to do the calibrations? Have you gotten any pushback from Certifying Body auditors?- thanks
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Old 15th December 2016, 01:59 PM
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Re: ISO17025 for In-House Calibration Labs: Is it required?

7.1.5.1.1 of the IATF16949:
Statistical studies SHALL be conducted to analyse the variation present in the result of each type of inspection, measurement, and test equipment system identified in the control plan. The analytical methods and acceptance criteria used SHALL conform to those in reference manuals on measurement systems analysis. Other analytical methods and acceptance criteria may be used if approved by the customer.

Records of customer acceptance of alternative methods SHALL be retained along with results from alternative measurement systems analysis(Section 9.1.1.1)
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Old 15th December 2016, 06:51 PM
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Re: ISO17025 for In-House Calibration Labs: Is it required?

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we are accredited to TS16949 which states that OUTSIDE calibration companies must be 17025. We are thinking about bringing certification of digital micrometers and digital calipers in house next year. There is no requirement to be certified to 17025 internally. What experience to the users here have with self calibrations? What training have you received to do the calibrations? Have you gotten any pushback from Certifying Body auditors?- thanks
Welcome to The Cove, Kybluegrass! I lived in KY for 5 years.

As a CB auditor I have never pushed back if a company was doing in-house calibrations correctly. I have written multiple nonconformities for companies that did calibrations incorrectly and/or in a way that was different from the way their calibration methods stated they should be done.

Probably the most common issue I've come across is not calibrating the tool in the way it is used. For example: calibrating calipers only for the OD jaws and not calibrating the ID jaws and depth rod which are both used for inspection.

Having said that, I've also seen outside calibrations done that had similar issues. For example a company sent a force gage out for calibration without specifying what to calibrate. The (ISO 17025 accredited) calibration lab didn't ask for clarification and only calibrated it for tension. The certificate delivered with the gage showed it was only calibrated for tension. The company never checked the certificate to notice this. The gage was only used by the company in compression.
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