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Old 10th January 2009, 04:00 AM
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Old 2nd April 2009, 06:51 PM
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Re: Here are the Various AIAG PPAP Manual 4th Edition Forms

Howard,

Thank you very much. (I wrote my first post today!)

Do you know if there's a standard customer waiver form? My engineering group wants to revise the drawing and avoid PPAP if possible. So, we plan to prepare the "Product / Process Change Notification" as published in the PPAP 4th Edition Manual which provides a space for the "Expected PPAP Completion/Submission Date" but I don't see anywhere on the form where we can request an authorized customer signature instead, to waive the PPAP submission. Also, would it be appropriate for the sales rep to handle this or does engineering need to interface directly with the customer? This is our first time requesting a waiver. Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks again!
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Howard,

Thank you very much. (I wrote my first post today!)

Do you know if there's a standard customer waiver form? My engineering group wants to revise the drawing and avoid PPAP if possible. So, we plan to prepare the "Product / Process Change Notification" as published in the PPAP 4th Edition Manual which provides a space for the "Expected PPAP Completion/Submission Date" but I don't see anywhere on the form where we can request an authorized customer signature instead, to waive the PPAP submission. Also, would it be appropriate for the sales rep to handle this or does engineering need to interface directly with the customer? This is our first time requesting a waiver. Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks again!
You must first notify the customer of the proposed/planned change.
Re-submission may be required unless waived by the customer.
Sorry. PPAP requirements are tough.

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Old 2nd April 2009, 07:54 PM
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Howard,

Thank you very much. (I wrote my first post today!)

Do you know if there's a standard customer waiver form? My engineering group wants to revise the drawing and avoid PPAP if possible. So, we plan to prepare the "Product / Process Change Notification" as published in the PPAP 4th Edition Manual which provides a space for the "Expected PPAP Completion/Submission Date" but I don't see anywhere on the form where we can request an authorized customer signature instead, to waive the PPAP submission. Also, would it be appropriate for the sales rep to handle this or does engineering need to interface directly with the customer? This is our first time requesting a waiver. Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks again!
There is no standard waiver form unless your customer has one. It would be best to speak with a customer representative. Which department handles the issue is a matter of personal preference. If you have persuasive sales people, that might be the way to go, but make sure they understand the technicalities before setting them loose.
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Old 2nd April 2009, 08:44 PM
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My engineering group wants to revise the drawing and avoid PPAP if possible.
What kind of drawing revision are they wanting to make? If it affects the part form, fit, or function, then you should do a PPAP anyway even if you don't submit the data to the customer.
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Also, would it be appropriate for the sales rep to handle this or does engineering need to interface directly with the customer?
Who normally works with the customer? There is no standard for who interfaces with the customer for PPAPs. Your organization can decide. Ideally you don't want too many people contacting them though...
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Old 3rd April 2009, 02:11 PM
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Re: Here are the Various AIAG PPAP Manual 4th Edition Forms

Jim and Howste,

Thank you both very much for your quick replies!

From what I understand, the change will not affect form, fit or function, but I will recommend that we PPAP anyway, and see if our sales rep can request the waiver.

Thanks again.
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Old 3rd April 2009, 02:37 PM
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Re: Here are the Various AIAG PPAP Manual 4th Edition Forms

If the change doesn't affect form, fit, or function, then probably all you'd need to submit is a warrant (PSW) with an explanation of the reason for the change and why it doesn't justify any changes to PPAP information already submitted. The customer's approval of the warrant would be the waiver of the other PPAP requirements.
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