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Old 30th September 2009, 11:49 AM
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Re: What are APQP and PPAP?



I have been working in automotive sector for 12 years as Quality/Product/Manufacturing engineer, but in the previous internal audit the audit asked me if all ( Machine, Device, Tools for MFg., hertz to speed, thermolecters, chronometer.... ) included in the control plan must calibrated ???
I am mix up.

Anyone can explain me if there is a criteria to define what kind of device must calibrated ?

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Old 30th September 2009, 02:18 PM
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I have been working in automotive sector for 12 years as Quality/Product/Manufacturing engineer, but in the previous internal audit the audit asked me if all ( Machine, Device, Tools for MFg., hertz to speed, thermolecters, chronometer.... ) included in the control plan must calibrated ???
I am mix up.

Anyone can explain me if there is a criteria to define what kind of device must calibrated ?
Just for clarification: What QMS Standard applies to your organization?
  • ISO 9001:2008?
  • ISO/TS 16949:2009?
  • Other?

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Old 12th October 2009, 11:42 AM
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I also have a question about PPAP submission - I am being told I have to resubmit even PPAP due to moving to a new address, what is required when you move facilities, is it a full level 3?

Can any one help me on this?

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Old 12th October 2009, 11:46 AM
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I also have a question about PPAP submission -I am being told i have to resubmit even PPAP due to moving to a new address, what is required when you move facilities, is it a full level 3?

Can any one help me on this?

QC Lifer
On this one you have to notify your Customer, who in turn will tell you what the submission requirements will be.

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Old 12th September 2011, 04:32 AM
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Re: What are APQP and PPAP?

Well I am new to this forum and new to the PPAP world.
I have been required to submit a level 3 PPAP for a 300 piece lay out, along with a P.O. for 10,000 pieces for the same part. However the P.O. also includes 300 piece lay out in its item description but the bills are equivalent to 10000 pcs.
Now i am confused. Does that mean I have to first send a pilot lot of 300 pieces with the PPAP documentation or should i send the entire lot with a seperate lot of 300 with PPAP documents?
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Old 12th September 2011, 09:29 AM
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Well I am new to this forum and new to the PPAP world.
I have been required to submit a level 3 PPAP for a 300 piece lay out, along with a P.O. for 10,000 pieces for the same part. However the P.O. also includes 300 piece lay out in its item description but the bills are equivalent to 10000 pcs.
Now i am confused. Does that mean I have to first send a pilot lot of 300 pieces with the PPAP documentation or should i send the entire lot with a seperate lot of 300 with PPAP documents?
Welcome to the Cove.

It's unlikely that you're expected to lay out 300 pieces. The default requirement is a minimum 300-piece production run, and layout of a specific number of pieces, which could be as few as one. It would probably be inadvisable to run 10,000 pieces before you have PPAP approval, because if the PPAP isn't approved due to nonconformities you might have to scrap or rework all of them.

You need to read and understand the AIAG PPAP manual and speak with your customer to confirm what's actually required.
Thank You to Jim Wynne for your informative Post and/or Attachment!
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Old 12th September 2011, 09:44 AM
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Re: What are APQP and PPAP?

Thank you for your help, Sir.

I talked to the Company contact and in their own words they say "Please make sure you do a 300 piece run for the Level 3 PPAP. You only need to do a 6 piece layout but the PPAP will need to be approved before you start production runs."

Now this makes much more sense.
However I still have no clue how to go about it.
Now, I first need to manufacture 300 pieces, right?
Please advise me the right source to learn about this process.

Thank You.
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Old 12th September 2011, 10:14 AM
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Re: What are APQP and PPAP?

As Jim mentioned, you need to have a copy of the AIAG PPAP manual. It's available directly from AIAG in electronic or hard copy form. There may be another source that's closer to your country if you want the hard copy.
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