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Old 12th September 2011, 10:15 AM
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Re: What are APQP and PPAP?

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Thank you for your help, Sir.

I talked to the Company contact and in their own words they say "Please make sure you do a 300 piece run for the Level 3 PPAP. You only need to do a 6 piece layout but the PPAP will need to be approved before you start production runs."

Now this makes much more sense.
However I still have no clue how to go about it.
Now, I first need to manufacture 300 pieces, right?
Please advise me the right source to learn about this process.

Thank You.
Many non-automotive companies have adopted (or adapted) the AIAG PPAP process for qualification of new parts. If your company is one of those, you'll need to speak with them further to make sure your understand their requirements. In automotive work, PPAP is the output of the APQP process, which means that by the time you're ready to compile the PPAP package you will have already done things such as PFMEA and a process control plan. Those are both elements of a Level 3 submission. You will also need to do capability reporting for special characteristics, if there are any. Some customers require capability studies even when there are no customer-designated special characteristics.

Do you have the AIAG PPAP manual? If you don't, you're going to have to get one. Is this a new customer? If so, you need to make sure you understand ALL of the contractual requirements before you do anything. For example, what happens if there's an engineering change to the parts after you've run 300 parts but before PPAP has been approved?

If this is a non-automotive customer, it's especially important that you understand what they require. We can help you get through the process, but first you have to be sure that all of the requirements are properly documented and understood.

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Old 12th September 2011, 10:23 AM
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Re: What are APQP and PPAP?

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Thank you for your help, Sir.

I talked to the Company contact and in their own words they say "Please make sure you do a 300 piece run for the Level 3 PPAP. You only need to do a 6 piece layout but the PPAP will need to be approved before you start production runs."

Now this makes much more sense.
However I still have no clue how to go about it.
Now, I first need to manufacture 300 pieces, right?
Please advise me the right source to learn about this process.

Thank You.
This is the item of PPAP related to the "run at rate", when the organization runs an established number of production item to be sure that it is able to produce at volume in mass production.
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Old 12th September 2011, 01:03 PM
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This is the item of PPAP related to the "run at rate", when the organization runs an established number of production item to be sure that it is able to produce at volume in mass production.
No. The PPAP "significant production run" and run-at-rate are two different events. Run-at-rate typically takes place after PPAP approval and serves to verify the supplier's capability of producing conforming product at the rate given on the PPAP warrant or the customers' purchase order.
Thanks to Jim Wynne for your informative Post and/or Attachment!
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Old 13th September 2011, 07:46 AM
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No. The PPAP "significant production run" and run-at-rate are two different events. Run-at-rate typically takes place after PPAP approval and serves to verify the supplier's capability of producing conforming product at the rate given on the PPAP warrant or the customers' purchase order.
Thank you Jim for precision, I was assuming that they were the same thing based upon what the post said.
However I have not understood yet if the run at rate has been done or not, as per post of the Cover, as well as PPAP signed or not.
Probably additional details are requested.
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Old 24th September 2011, 04:28 AM
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Does anyone have a procedure for executing APQP for a Unique Product organization? I would appreciate for your attention.
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Old 24th September 2011, 08:40 AM
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Does anyone have a procedure for executing APQP for a Unique Product organization? I would appreciate for your attention.
Welcome to the Cove.

What sort of unique product are you referring to? APQP is basically the same for all products, so if you could give us an idea as to why you think that standard methods might not be appropriate we can provide better information.
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Old 24th September 2011, 12:12 PM
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Welcome to the Cove.

What sort of unique product are you referring to? APQP is basically the same for all products, so if you could give us an idea as to why you think that standard methods might not be appropriate we can provide better information.
Definitely companies with a large amount of products (for example car-parts producing companies) and companies with a special unique products (such as ship or submarine etc) are completely different in their policies. Of course for executing APQP for them we should offer the APQ Plan that is in accordance with the organization product(s) as well. I mean the phases that is offered to a small company with a large amount of small products is far different with a APQP phases for a big company with a huge product.
NOW, i am searching for a APQP execution manner for the second ones.
Is there anyone to help me?
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Old 24th September 2011, 02:07 PM
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Definitely companies with a large amount of products (for example car-parts producing companies) and companies with a special unique products (such as ship or submarine etc) are completely different in their policies. Of course for executing APQP for them we should offer the APQ Plan that is in accordance with the organization product(s) as well. I mean the phases that is offered to a small company with a large amount of small products is far different with a APQP phases for a big company with a huge product.
NOW, i am searching for a APQP execution manner for the second ones.
Is there anyone to help me?
Parts for ships or submarines aren't unique, they're just different. Different markets and customers might have varying requirements, but if you're referring to AIAG APQP, it's the same for everyone.

On the other hand, if you're referring to APQP in a more generic sense--quality planning in general--there are many possible methods. It's not clear what you're looking for.
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