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Old 30th July 2013, 03:31 AM
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Re: Risk Management - Risk of injury to a specific sport

Not sure if it is relevant but isn't Wushu (a Chinese variant of Kung Fu I think) a more acrobatic form or martial arts. Sometimes known as Wushu tumbling or Wushu acrobatics. I only mention this because it might be a more commonly studied activity that might, just might, have some similarities to Capoeira.

Failing that have you tried to find the information from Brazilian sources? Isn't there a Capoeira scene in California??

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Old 30th July 2013, 03:57 AM
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Thanks for the response TPMB4...

Unfortunately capoeira is so unique in its movements the closest approximation of any East-Asian art will be Taekyon (sp). And I do believe that art will suffer the same issue as it is not part of the main stream.

I have gone through couple of insurance agencies (3 of them to be exact) and while they have access...sharing or relinquishing this information (just data) is not happening. A survey might be the only other option to start...

Yes there is a capoeira scene is California, huge actually but it is complex as different lineages do things differently so it will be way too large to try and incorporate my plan. I think the model (community based group) I am planning to use is just small enough and many of the movements are more "modern" and so follow a specific standard at least the basic movements do...perhaps I can start from there. The RM standard/guide is something I will also like to add...
Pls let me know if u have more suggestions I appreciate it, thanks again
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Old 30th July 2013, 05:08 AM
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Yes, I guess it is different in the actual movements but sometimes the same classes of movements are done in other activities. You mentioned gymnastics. From what I have seen of Capoeira it is an acrobatic art where there are a lot of sweeps with the legs, the use of what I take as a form of cartwheel move and other fluid movements.

From my basic understanding of what wushu is, it has a lot of fluidity to it with leg sweeps, flips even cartwheel type of movements. If you are looking purely at sources of injury then the basic mechanisms are the same I reckon, only so many ways you injure. Sprains, strains, breaks, etc. Or connecting with object (human or hard surface) in a way not prepared for. I'm guessing here and kind of looking at it in a failure mode sort of way (well I am automotive mostly in my quality role).
Thanks to TPMB4 for your informative Post and/or Attachment!
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Old 30th July 2013, 10:11 AM
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Btw the art is Capoeira...I realized I was been too spooky about it...
Ah! I have no experience in that art, but am familiar with it. Seems like you might be able to glean some similar information from other "sports," though. Any of the kicking arts (Tae Kwon Do, etc.) might offer insights into those types of leg and foot related injuries, and perhaps gymnastics could offer some good information on issues related to arm support and twisting and their affects on the wrists, elbows, and shoulders. As TPMB4 suggested, you might also get some valuable guidance from Wushu.

Capoeira is definitely a different approach. Good luck.
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Old 30th July 2013, 12:08 PM
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Yes, I guess it is different in the actual movements but sometimes the same classes of movements are done in other activities. You mentioned gymnastics. From what I have seen of Capoeira it is an acrobatic art where there are a lot of sweeps with the legs, the use of what I take as a form of cartwheel move and other fluid movements.

From my basic understanding of what wushu is, it has a lot of fluidity to it with leg sweeps, flips even cartwheel type of movements. If you are looking purely at sources of injury then the basic mechanisms are the same I reckon, only so many ways you injure. Sprains, strains, breaks, etc. Or connecting with object (human or hard surface) in a way not prepared for. I'm guessing here and kind of looking at it in a failure mode sort of way (well I am automotive mostly in my quality role).
Yes, yes I see what you are saying, the issue I had at the beginning was when I looked up gymnastic injury prevention programs I thought I had to evaluate them and make them connect to a different discipline...maybe I "overthunk" that but hopefully you see my point. Gymnastics will be a closer analogue...I was trying to avoid contact injury as well (even though it cannot be avoided it is usually minimal) the chances of getting hit intentionally in training (my focus) is less than getting a musculoskeletal sprain, strain.

I will look up the Wushu system and see what I can come up with, thanks


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Ah! I have no experience in that art, but am familiar with it. Seems like you might be able to glean some similar information from other "sports," though. Any of the kicking arts (Tae Kwon Do, etc.) might offer insights into those types of leg and foot related injuries, and perhaps gymnastics could offer some good information on issues related to arm support and twisting and their affects on the wrists, elbows, and shoulders. As TPMB4 suggested, you might also get some valuable guidance from Wushu.

Capoeira is definitely a different approach. Good luck.
Thanks PaulJSmith, I agree think I will have revisit the gymnastic angle as I mentioned above; I unfortunately will also have to reduce the paper to only non-contact injuries...I may even have to be selective on the areas of the body these types of injury mainly occur. I will like to know how to make the connections with two somewhat differing disciplines though. I think the way I will have to define capoiera may offer this, not sure because the art is not just gymnastics but does incorporate many of this core movements...
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Old 11th February 2014, 02:03 PM
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Hello everyone glad to say my proposal was accepted; I am now in an outline phase.
At this junction pending IRB approval I was wondering what techniques can be used to support a statistical significance of my survey? I am still waiting on a response from the Prof. as I do not understand the question.

My initial plan on doing a survey (injury; because there is no formal evidence that capoeira practitioner actually get injured...I called insurance companies and clinics to see if they have data they will share lol) with a general population that practices capoeira and taken the results and applying RM into a small community based organization that uses capoeira as part of their fit approach to wellness.


Please help & thanks in advance
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Old 16th October 2014, 11:09 PM
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Re: Risk Management - Risk of injury to a specific sport

Hi again everyone, I received an email about this thread and felt I should probably update.

Currently my research was accepted and I simply waiting for some questions regarding IRB. I have been stuck on the Methodology (chapter 3) section for a while, I had to forgo the idea of a survey...I felt it was not enough time and not enough subjects to matter. However how to design a method around this is stalling progress...I am using the bulk of the literature review as a source of data...
Any and all suggestions are welcomed
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Old 17th October 2014, 07:45 AM
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Re: Risk Management - Risk of injury to a specific sport

As an aside, I understand this is research at an academic level. Is it a under/post graduate degree level or Ph.D / Doctorate level? It sounds like a sports science research which might lead to advice from those specializing in that field / discipline.

If it is a funded course could there be some sports science conference worth going to? I know a few Doctorate students and they seem to have a lot of them with some being major, international events. One of those might lead to an encounter with researchers travelling similar paths.

Only an idea based on your later posts referencing prof. etc.
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